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Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Post by chronicx0 »

akie wrote: post #327
GuiA wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. And also people not having devices on their person means they can't quickly text friends/family if they get detained/mistreated/etc. It seems like we're getting closer and closer to being in a situation where people who can should avoid going to the US at all, and make their reasoning known. Ie, refuse to give talks, attend conferences, etc. in the US.

This is already happening. I'm in Europe and I've heard quite a few friends (mostly academics) state that they're actively avoiding traveling to the US.

This is not a problem considering most worldwide science and research advancements come from USA, China, Japan, or Korea. The academics can stay in Europe. The US companies will acquire them anyway.

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Post by salesguy222 »

diminoten wrote: post #305
salesguy222 wrote: post #82

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I'm chilled, but what do you mean? Can you link me to the chatter about the credible threat? What if they wait more than 96 hours? What does checking electronics into bags do to keep us safer?

http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/324846-feds-tempora... The subtle arrogance in you asking for the threat Intel is utterly astonishing.

I appreciate the link, because the one I read said that the ban was indefinite, but that the airlines had 96 hours to implement.

I also respectfully need to say that any arrogance you perceived from me was something you were reading into in my opinion, rather than something in my words that directly showed arrogance.

I exist to provide logic based and relatively emotionless arguments, not too much cynicism or ill will to fellow commenters.

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Post by madengr »

joshgel wrote: post #340
PietdeVries wrote: post #276

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interestingly, you see airlines moving away from in-flight entertainment screens in the seat in front of you, in favor of BYOD. A logical move: let the clients bring their equipment (they bring it anyway) so you don't have to (install, maintain, spend fuel on, etc.). Now with airlines actually removing in flight entertainment, flying from the Middle East to New York can be quite a long trip: no laptop to watch a movi…

Maybe people will have to read books?!

True, it some like myself can't read on a plane due to motion sickness. Watching a video is fine, but not focusing on text.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

goodplay wrote: post #205
hueving wrote: post #156

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>Plus, can confirm that the ME airlines are highly competitive Very, they are subsidized by their governments. http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2015/03/airline-subs...

Guess the US government should do the same. You either play by the rules of the game, or don't play altogether.

They could work together to rewrite the rules of the game to be better for everyone. But since the G20 just had to take out wording about the dangers of protectionism to keep the US happy, I'd guess we're going for the tragedy of the commons version.

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Post by lordnacho »

yodon wrote: post #113
bobwaycott wrote: post #109

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Nearly 36 here, and I concur. Everyone's been clothed in fear ever since.

Those of us who are 50+ remember The threat of nuclear war, and 60+ remember the reality of the Cuban Missile Crisis. When you've lived through "100 Million people could die in the next 24 hours" (like was a real possibility during the Cuban Missile Crisis), the current threat level just makes people look like panicked children.

Yes but then Communism fell. We all saw the wall come down and expected the world to be less fearful.

I remember being a kid in the 1980s and my dad explained why there were air raid sirens.

And then the wall fell and all was peaceful until around September 11. For some reason the regular Irish troubles never really registered.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Post by maxerickson »

diminoten wrote: post #306
maxerickson wrote: post #88

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Could you link or explain where you are getting further info? Neither Bloomberg nor this Reuters article mention the period it will be in effect. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-airlines-electronics-i...

http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/324846-feds-tempora...

Fox has since updated their coverage.

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/03/21/electronics-ban-on-...

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Post by pjc50 »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #318
lucaspiller wrote: post #185

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If you look at terrorism in the UK and Ireland, Islamic extremists are quite safe compared to the IRA. There were estimated to be over 10,000 terrorist bomb attacks due to the Northern Ireland conflicts.

And yet nobody seriously suggested deporting / monitoring all Irish people as a solution...

I wouldn't say nobody did. There was certainly enough anti-Irish racism to wrongly convict people (Birmingham Six, Guildford Four, Maguire Seven). And the goal of the Loyalists was not so much to "deport" Catholics living in NI - they were after all born there and British nationals - but to force them to leave. Ethnic cleansing.

The whole thing was a much smaller scale than Syria, but still generated a "flood" of refugees: http://www.thejournal.ie/northern-refugees-ireland-state-pap...

The situation was very weird - a civil war within the UK, effectively, complete with troops on the street and armed checkpoints - but only in very specific areas. A quasi-democracy operated: Gerry Adams MP was permitted to be elected but not allowed to speak on television. Bobby Sands was elected while in prison.

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Post by paublyrne »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #318
lucaspiller wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at terrorism in the UK and Ireland, Islamic extremists are quite safe compared to the IRA. There were estimated to be over 10,000 terrorist bomb attacks due to the Northern Ireland conflicts.

And yet nobody seriously suggested deporting / monitoring all Irish people as a solution...

That's mostly true, but Irish men did come in for a lot of extra screening at airports, being taken into rooms for interrogation and so on. Particularly young Irish men with longer hair. R

Rightwing reporting of incidents did a lot to drive anti Irish sentiment, leading to forced confessions by innocent Irish people for terrorist attacks like in Bermingham and Guilford.

Political leaders who liked to use zero tolerance rhetoric like Margaret Thatcher did a lot to help the IRA recruitment cause.

It was different, but not completely different to what we see now in the US.

By coincidence onetime IRA commander Martin McGuinness died today, a man who's conversion to pursuit of political aims through diplomatic conciliation rather than hardline methods is one of the great examples of how the former works better to end conflicts.

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Post by gambiting »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #304
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #292

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If bin Laden's victory condition was "many overly-reductive Americans bemoaning negative events in their nation's existence by parroting that the sky is irreversibly falling, throwing in the entire towel, forgetting or never bothering to study several existential threats to the United States in its brief history, and shrugging that our doom is all due to a Big Bad who managed to take down the world's occasionally mos…

Let's put it this way: 9/11 achieved exactly what was intended - it sent the US into a tailspin, and it's dragging the rest of the first world down with it. The current condition of US politics wrt. terrorism is best described as acute case of autoimmune disease. The damage of overreaction being much, much worse than the original attack. That doesn't mean Bin Laden won - history is not a game, the round didn't end ye…

I'd actually argue that Bin Laden failed terribly at his stated goal - he wanted to make Americans stop for a second and consider why they are being targeted, and then hopefully discover all the atrocities their own government has inflicted on Bin Laden's people, and well, hopefully revolt.

But America in general didn't spend even a second considering this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/wcpls/z/c5cabqo

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Post by emanreus »

akie wrote: post #327
GuiA wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. And also people not having devices on their person means they can't quickly text friends/family if they get detained/mistreated/etc. It seems like we're getting closer and closer to being in a situation where people who can should avoid going to the US at all, and make their reasoning known. Ie, refuse to give talks, attend conferences, etc. in the US.

This is already happening. I'm in Europe and I've heard quite a few friends (mostly academics) state that they're actively avoiding traveling to the US.

I have to admit some border crossing incidents[1] are what I would imagine entering North Korea would be like, not the US.

[1][10min audio] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYMw1p8s9M

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