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Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I flew Cape Town to LHR in January on BA and my entertainment system was stuck in a loop, booting into RedHat over and over again

But at least it's finally the year of Linux in the headrest.

It's not new. I had a 4-hour wait at the terminal to get to a KLM plane in Chengdu a bit over 10 years ago, this was perhaps 2006. The reason became clear when they informed us upon boarding that "the in-flight entertainment system is unfortunately not available, but it is not connected to flight systems and has no impact on flight security".

The entertainment system on the seat backs was Linux in a reboot loop.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Joking for sure. When I flew domestic in China people were using their phones the whole time.

That's funny because in China it's forbidden to use it even on airplane mode.

Sometimes in China, the thing is not lack for things being forbidden, it's the lack of enforcement culture.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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I see many people here trying to puzzle out why electronics are under a partial ban from cabins but not from checked baggage . It's a good question, since if there is a fire or explosion hazard on a plane the last place you want it is wrapped in a wad of flammable cloth and synthetics, even if it is oxygen starved. The only motivation I can imagine is: They want these devices in checked luggage because checked luggag…

Wipe devices before packing. Arrive in country then restore backup remotely.

This is bad advice I'm afraid. If you're an alien seeking admission to the United States it's your responsibility to prove that you don't have immigrant intent, not the CBP's responsibility that you do. By showing up at the border with a wiped device you will make it a lot easier for the CBP to build a case against you and put you on the next plane heading back.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Having a device that looks wiped is grounds for suspicion in and of itself these days. In some cases, enough to turn someone away (remember, they can always do that to non-citizens, and you have very little recourse if they do).

Care to cite an example where this actually happened? I've brought wiped devices countless times.

http://www.dailyxtra.com/canada/news-and-ideas/news/us-custo...

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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post #271

I see many people here trying to puzzle out why electronics are under a partial ban from cabins but not from checked baggage . It's a good question, since if there is a fire or explosion hazard on a plane the last place you want it is wrapped in a wad of flammable cloth and synthetics, even if it is oxygen starved. The only motivation I can imagine is: They want these devices in checked luggage because checked luggag…

Makes sense. However, how is that going to protect the US? The moment such information is public, perpetrators will not transport any digital devices with incriminating data. What you re left with are people being harrassed over a digital copy of "how to make a potato launcher" on their laptops. Frankly, it seems the US policing practices have been looking more and more USSR like. And i dont just mean since trump arr…

  how is that going to protect the US? [...] perpetrators
  will not transport any digital devices with incriminating
  data.
Options include:

1. Bad guys with imperfect opsec (I see in your unallocated space there's a deleted TAILS ISO... onto a watchlist with you!)

2. Friends and relatives of bad guys (I see your nephew e-mailed you holiday photos from cybercafes near two different suspected terrorist training camps... onto a watchlist with him!) a bit like social media companies' 'shadow profiles'

3. Non-terrorist targets, like good old corporate espionage and political blackmail (Oh, you're a journalist/oil industry exec/prostitute? Let me just take a copy of your contacts, records and reports)

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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post #25

When I came to the US in 2000 it was a fairly optimistic and happy place. Now when I read stuff like this I always get reminded how this country went from pretty open to being scared, irrational and mean in the last 15 or so years.

Let's be honest here. Osama Bin Laden won. The US as we knew it pre-911 doesn't exist anymore. He caused it, but the worst thing about it is that we did it to ourselves. First Bush, then Obama and now Trump is putting the nail in the coffin.

He didn't win, but the US did lose.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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post #207

I see many people here trying to puzzle out why electronics are under a partial ban from cabins but not from checked baggage . It's a good question, since if there is a fire or explosion hazard on a plane the last place you want it is wrapped in a wad of flammable cloth and synthetics, even if it is oxygen starved. The only motivation I can imagine is: They want these devices in checked luggage because checked luggag…

This. And also people not having devices on their person means they can't quickly text friends/family if they get detained/mistreated/etc. It seems like we're getting closer and closer to being in a situation where people who can should avoid going to the US at all, and make their reasoning known. Ie, refuse to give talks, attend conferences, etc. in the US.

This is already happening. I'm in Europe and I've heard quite a few friends (mostly academics) state that they're actively avoiding traveling to the US.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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" there are water refilling stations, usually close to the restrooms or after you pass through the security checkpoint. " Done that, security check on one flight I was on at boarding forced all liquids to be emptied.

Dubai does that for some weird reason. They didn't use to until last year though.

This. Dubai had some major security theatre.

Get off one plane, go through security to the transit terminal.

Wander around, refill water bottles.

Buy some duty free, get it put in a cardboard box with a ziptie.

Go to gate, go through ticket check, some corridors to gate lounge.

Get cardboard box confiscated and put in a pile of similar looking cardboard boxes.

Asked to empty water bottle... where? You can't turn around. Chug a litre of water.

Have bags 'checked', go into lounge, refill water bottle again.

Pee three times.

Still better than flying through any US airport tho.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

#329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a device that looks wiped is grounds for suspicion in and of itself these days. In some cases, enough to turn someone away (remember, they can always do that to non-citizens, and you have very little recourse if they do).

Care to cite an example where this actually happened? I've brought wiped devices countless times.

http://www.dailyxtra.com/canada/news-and-ideas/news/us-custo...

(HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13702981)

Specifically, this part:

A month later, André attempted to fly to New Orleans again. This time, he brought what he thought was ample proof that he was not a sex worker: letters from his employer, pay stubs, bank statements, a lease agreement and phone contracts to prove he intended to return to Canada.

When he went through secondary inspection at Vancouver airport, US Customs officers didn’t even need to ask for his passwords — they were saved in their own system. But André had wiped his phone of sex apps, browser history and messages, thinking that would dispel any suggestion he was looking for sex work. Instead, the border officers took that as suspicious.

“They went through my computer. They were looking through Word documents,” André says. “I had nude photos of myself on my phone, and they were questioning who this person was. It was really humiliating and embarrassing.”

“They said, ‘Next time you come through, don’t have a cleared phone,’ and that was it. I wasn’t let through. He said I’m a suspected escort. You can’t really argue with them because you’re trapped,” he says.

He wasn’t necessarily declined solely because he wiped the phone (they already suspected him due to the previous encounter), but they made it pretty clear they don’t like it since they considered that reason enough to not let him through a second time despite all the supporting paperwork.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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I see many people here trying to puzzle out why electronics are under a partial ban from cabins but not from checked baggage . It's a good question, since if there is a fire or explosion hazard on a plane the last place you want it is wrapped in a wad of flammable cloth and synthetics, even if it is oxygen starved. The only motivation I can imagine is: They want these devices in checked luggage because checked luggag…

Wipe devices before packing. Arrive in country then restore backup remotely.

My plan is to leave my devices back home. In the US electronics is usually cheaper so I would buy a MacBook and download my personal data from the cloud. After returning home I would sell the MacBook for a nice profit.
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