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Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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May be there's a loophole in x-ray machines that scan cabin bags, but not in the machines that scan checked-in bags? (just guessing, if at all "it was driven by intelligence of a possible attack")

Why is the ban targeting only these specific airlines? Are they so confident that a potential perpetrator couldn't fly in on Delta through Paris?

Sounds like the threat is not about generic attack against airplanes, but more targeted towards specific people traveling from certain countries to US.

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I see many people here trying to puzzle out why electronics are under a partial ban from cabins but not from checked baggage . It's a good question, since if there is a fire or explosion hazard on a plane the last place you want it is wrapped in a wad of flammable cloth and synthetics, even if it is oxygen starved. The only motivation I can imagine is: They want these devices in checked luggage because checked luggag…

USB nuke

Do you actually have one? I searched for a bit but it doesn't seem like they're sold.

https://kukuruku.co/post/usb-killer/

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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post #142

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On the minus side, they can install malware on your machine without your knowledge (even if your disk is encrypted).

Source? How is it possible to install malware when the disk is encrypted?

VGA, Wifi module, Ethernet controller, BIOS (UEFI), power controller, heck, even battery all have chips inside them capable of running malware as well. It's naive to believe than NSA&co doesn't have its fingers on such techniques (remember Cisco devices interception). Modern laptop/PC is ridden with micro "PCs" all over.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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Joking for sure. When I flew domestic in China people were using their phones the whole time.

I'm aware that using a phone on a plane does no harm, but I just wanted to make sure you didn't actually mean it.

Sure it does. To the cellphone networks. (Unless the aircraft carries its own picocell).

The big problem with cellphones on planes is that they overwhelm the signalling networks on the ground - when the carrier tries to determine which cell is best suited to handle your call, it basically polls the neighbouring cells for the received signal strength from that particular phone. When you're on a plane, your phone is seen from an awful lot of cells.

Also, some systems (GSM, for instance) relies on your velocity compared to the base station not being too large to allocate you a slot in the time-multiplexed channels. Depending on the geometry of the cell network, you may not be able to connect at all when on a plane - but your phone may create all sorts of grief for the network operator.

Or, put another way - if there really was a non-zero probability that a working cellphone on a plane would cause trouble, the TSA would simply collect the phones during boarding and being caught with one would give you the full terrorist treatment.

Given the abundance of cellphones and the sloppiness of people, I think it is probably safe to say that no commercial flight has taken off without at least one active cell-phone aboard for the past twenty years or so.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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I see many people here trying to puzzle out why electronics are under a partial ban from cabins but not from checked baggage . It's a good question, since if there is a fire or explosion hazard on a plane the last place you want it is wrapped in a wad of flammable cloth and synthetics, even if it is oxygen starved. The only motivation I can imagine is: They want these devices in checked luggage because checked luggag…

USB nuke Do you actually have one? I searched for a bit but it doesn't seem like they're sold. https://kukuruku.co/post/usb-killer/

I am pretty sure you can buy them here (have never tried, though...) https://www.usbkill.com

My favorite is the USB-C one, because the USB-C spec supports 100W...

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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I've seen it quite a few times. Someone answers their cell phone mid-flight - BOOM! Down goes the plane, steep descent, passengers screaming, masks drop from the ceiling, until that phone call ends and the plane straightens up. Blanket ban on electronics is the only way to stop this happening. One time I was flying and someone had forgotten to turn off their phone until the plane was in the air and it interfered with…

> Very ocnfuisng.

That's an RF induced race condition. Someone may be using radiowaves next to your keyboard. Now imagine that happening to the auto pilot system.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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As an anecdote, I've flown United and Turkish across the Atlantic and it's a world of difference. In 2016 , the United airplane I was in still did not have a seatback screen and they expected all 200+ passengers to connect to the wifi to try to get in-flight entertainment. Of course no one got on. So all of us were left craning our necks trying to catch a glimpse of whatever was on the CRT in the aisle. Meanwhile, Tu…

I'll never fly United again. I had a similar experience for 14 hours. It isn't just the in flight entertainment. In my experience their staff are rude and borderline incompetent. There must be a poor culture in the company as a whole. My wife just flew with them and went nearly 10 hours without a meal while she was flying with our two year old. Edit: spelling

Don't get me started on United. I refuse to fly with them (LHR to SFO about 4 times a year) for a myriad of reasons, not limited to: food quality, delays, total failure of in-flight entertainment system and taking an extra 1.5 days to get me home (direct flight cancelled, so shunted via Dulles). I'm a tolerant person, but United excelled at pissing me off.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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I see many people here trying to puzzle out why electronics are under a partial ban from cabins but not from checked baggage . It's a good question, since if there is a fire or explosion hazard on a plane the last place you want it is wrapped in a wad of flammable cloth and synthetics, even if it is oxygen starved. The only motivation I can imagine is: They want these devices in checked luggage because checked luggag…

Wipe devices before packing.

Arrive in country then restore backup remotely.

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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In most of the airports (if not all) that I have been lately, there are water refilling stations, usually close to the restrooms or after you pass through the security checkpoint. I usually pass security with my plastic bottle empty, and then refill it with those machines.

This is fine for domestic travel, but not nessesarily for travel to the US. Many of these flights have additional security at the gate just prior to boarding. US is way too paranoid

i would suggest trying El Al then ... they have missile defense systems on their civilian planes. And it is recommended to arrive at least 4 hours early on Ben Gurion ...

Re: Most Electronics Being Banned on Certain US-Bound Flights

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> In 2016, the United airplane I was in still did not have a seatback screen This just depends which plane you get. They all have new and old planes, you can get unlucky on any airline.

I haven't got "unlucky" on an international BA flight in 15+ years. So no, it doesn't just depend on the plane.

I flew Cape Town to LHR in January on BA and my entertainment system was stuck in a loop, booting into RedHat over and over again
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