I interned at Numenta [0] in 2012. Numenta is building an open-source machine intelligence product [1] based on the human brain. Specifically, the algorithms are based on the theory of "hierarchical temporal memory" (HTM) [2] as described by Numenta founder Jeff Hawkins [3] in his book On Intelligence [4]. The basic idea is that the neocortex has a generalized learning framework that acts on generalized input from al…
DeepMind in “very early stage” talks with National Grid to reduce UK energy use
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Re: DeepMind in “very early stage” talks with National Grid to reduce UK energy use
#72On a similar note, for anyone that hasn't seen it you can get live grid metrics from http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ .
what is this, a website for ants? It needs to be at least twice as big! Seriously thought, that's quite an unreadable interface.
Re: DeepMind in “very early stage” talks with National Grid to reduce UK energy use
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think your second point follows from your first. ML is not easy to set up or maintain, even if we're just talking about linear regression. Companies trying to make 'data scientists obsolete', usually frame ML as a black box that you can plug data in one end and spit out profits the other. But in reality it doesn't work like that, significant effort has to build and maintain data pipelines, to make sure data q…
It can be easier to set up and maintain than hand-rolled solutions. Best example I can think of is speech recognition - previous systems used hidden markov models, gaussian mixtures, triphones, and all sorts of complex and obscure things that had to be tuned by experts. Now they just use an end-to-end neural network that goes directly from sound to letters (almost anyway; I believe the input is still MFCCs). I agree…
You've missed my point. The thing is that building the ML model is NOT the hard part of machine learning in industry. The hard part is building an infrastructure that can make that machine learning model do something useful. It is much harder than people imagine. See for example this great paper by google for more details : https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.c...
Re: DeepMind in “very early stage” talks with National Grid to reduce UK energy use
#74The DeepMind datacenter project was very interesting, but a lot of the ML people I spoke to were quite dubious about how much of it was genuinely down to new AI/neural networks, and how much of it was Google PR to justify how much they spent on DeepMind. > DeepMind trained a neural network to more accurately predict future cooling requirements, in turn reducing the power usage of the cooling system by 40 percent. But…
I was going to say, I feel like this could be done with excel and some historical data combined with weather forecasting. that being said, even if ML gets you a 0.5% advantage over spreadsheet math, that is a non-trivial amount of savings on a national scale.
Re: DeepMind in “very early stage” talks with National Grid to reduce UK energy use
#75I interned at Numenta [0] in 2012. Numenta is building an open-source machine intelligence product [1] based on the human brain. Specifically, the algorithms are based on the theory of "hierarchical temporal memory" (HTM) [2] as described by Numenta founder Jeff Hawkins [3] in his book On Intelligence [4]. The basic idea is that the neocortex has a generalized learning framework that acts on generalized input from al…
You're aware that numenta is considered a joke in the serious machine learning community, right?
Feel free to underestimate them. It's really not my problem.
And do pompous, abrasive comments like yours really add anything to the discussion? Why don't you elaborate on why they are a "joke" to serious intellectuals like yourself.
Re: DeepMind in “very early stage” talks with National Grid to reduce UK energy use
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was going to say, I feel like this could be done with excel and some historical data combined with weather forecasting. that being said, even if ML gets you a 0.5% advantage over spreadsheet math, that is a non-trivial amount of savings on a national scale.
What I'm wondering is why I can't find anything about ML applied to finding and curating data, which is the most tedious part of data science. That would be an interesting way of using ML without fuzzy stuff.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suppose you are joking, as double-glazing seems to be a popular meme in the UK (with people being convinced they don't need it and scammy vendors pushing it)? Must admit I never completely understood it, coming from a country where double glazing is the norm.
Can't understand your comment. You are agreeing with me that, in most other parts of the world, double-glazing (aka a glass that won't break if you elbow it by mistake!) is the norm. But in the UK, it's sadly the opposite. So we agree that they should replace their crappy windows with double-glazed, properly insulated, ones...
Any data to back this up? Personally I find it a pretty rare sight to see windows that aren't double glazed and if I came across a property without them it's absurd enough I wouldn't move into it.
Re: DeepMind in “very early stage” talks with National Grid to reduce UK energy use
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I know a couple people working on using deep learning for financial timeseries. It can be beneficial even with relatively limited data (a couple of years with high granularity). I also think the 10% figure is quite ambitious; especially given that they are at an early stage of negotiations.
Yeh I'd guess electronic exchange financial time series have a lot of interesting dynamics at very fine detail because of high frequency trading, so it's a very different system than a power grid in that respect. And for the record I regard HFT as mostly being a wasteful activity that effectively amounts to a tax on using electronic exchanges - ok there's a fuzzy line between arbitrage (useful) and full on HFT (which…
Re: DeepMind in “very early stage” talks with National Grid to reduce UK energy use
#79I don't know much about electric grid engineering - are there opportunities for a ML approach to increase efficiency in ways other than the sort of better supply forecasting implied by this article. The article does mention the losses involved in long distance transmission, but surely traditional approaches can already yield fairly well optimised planning for improving this sort of efficiency? (Finally, this article…
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can be easier to set up and maintain than hand-rolled solutions. Best example I can think of is speech recognition - previous systems used hidden markov models, gaussian mixtures, triphones, and all sorts of complex and obscure things that had to be tuned by experts. Now they just use an end-to-end neural network that goes directly from sound to letters (almost anyway; I believe the input is still MFCCs). I agree…
> Now they just use an end-to-end neural network You've missed my point. The thing is that building the ML model is NOT the hard part of machine learning in industry. The hard part is building an infrastructure that can make that machine learning model do something useful. It is much harder than people imagine. See for example this great paper by google for more details : https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/re…