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Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by cocktailpeanuts »

aphextron wrote: post #173
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #82

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That's what media has you believe. And you fell for it, and probably made them some money with pageviews. Sure there are many problems with Uber, but user-facing is not one. You saying 'I really think it's related' is just your opinion, and every ordinary person I know (who don't hate them for social justice purposes) love Uber and their service.

>That's what media has you believe. And you fell for it, No, being left stranded in the middle of nowhere because of Uber payment issues in the past has me believe this.

Then keep using taxis. Good luck

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Post by runamok »

user5994461 wrote: post #144
jimmywanger wrote: post #49

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> pay up to get someone experienced in turnaround situations. To your point, in the business world, if you've already gone through the turnaround experience, you're probably already very well compensated. The one big thing that you can dangle in front of good candidates is a more powerful position or more responsibility. Hire a COO into a CEO position, or give a proven head coach power over personnel decisions. Other…

> To your point, in the business world, if you've already gone through the turnaround experience, you're probably already very well compensated. And you have a name and a position and a network and influence at your company. Money is worth peanuts compared to that! What's the risk of taking an hypothetical 50M from Uber, it's gonna be trying to fuck you over with ISOs and sexually harass you, whereas you can take 5M…

The challenge? Anecdata but my mom explained it thusly: some are good at starting companies, some at keeping things humming along and others at fixing companies...

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by fredophile »

sebleon wrote: post #190
fredophile wrote: post #141

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Because when you have an unpopular leader making decisions that are unpopular with customers you lose those customers. I no longer use Uber and don't see myself using them again until he leaves. More recently I've been considering closing my Amex card now that they've partnered with Uber.

I'm curious about what fraction of the #deleteUber participants reinstall the app within a week... I'm guessing around 60%?

I'd guess that a large fraction of people that deleted the Uber app and installed a competitor have not reinstalled. Once you've gone through that there isn't much point in reinstalling Uber. However, I don't know how many people did this vs just uninstalling Uber without a replacement or leaving it installed but not using the app. Those two groups probably had higher rates of people going back to Uber.

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by adviceadam »

jameskegel wrote: post #217
alasdair_ wrote: post #204

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A surprisingly large number of seemingly-unconnected people I know have switched to Lyft. The switching itself isn't the issue, it's that these people come from several different social groups and they are all surprisingly vocal about switching.

The fact that my friends still pile up at Chick-Fil-A makes me want to disagree. No matter how principled people claim to be, they always end up back with what they know and like, in this case Uber.

In this case though, there's a competitor that does exactly the same thing for similar prices.

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by sebleon »

fredophile wrote: post #223
sebleon wrote: post #190

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I'm curious about what fraction of the #deleteUber participants reinstall the app within a week... I'm guessing around 60%?

I'd guess that a large fraction of people that deleted the Uber app and installed a competitor have not reinstalled. Once you've gone through that there isn't much point in reinstalling Uber. However, I don't know how many people did this vs just uninstalling Uber without a replacement or leaving it installed but not using the app. Those two groups probably had higher rates of people going back to Uber.

I disagree - I've had Uber and Lyft for years, and I check both to compare prices and ETA. For the past 6 months, I've noticed that Uber can be 40-60% cheaper than Lyft. I doubt former Uber users will forget what prices are like.

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by sebleon »

adviceadam wrote: post #224
jameskegel wrote: post #217

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The fact that my friends still pile up at Chick-Fil-A makes me want to disagree. No matter how principled people claim to be, they always end up back with what they know and like, in this case Uber.

In this case though, there's a competitor that does exactly the same thing for similar prices.

> Similar prices

Not true, Uber can be 40-60% cheaper. I've stopped taking public transit in the Bay Area because of Uber, I don't think I could do that with Lyft alone. Is there another competitor with cheaper pricing?

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by username223 »

Anderkent wrote: post #108
ivraatiems wrote: post #80

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Do you believe, then, that Uber breaks these laws as a form of protest, rather than because they want to maximie profit and eating the fines won't hurt their bottom line? What evidence do you have to support that belief, if so?

I think Uber breaks the laws because the people making decisions in uber do not see the laws as useful, and I agree with that opinion. And if the fines for breaking the law aren't hurting their bottom line, it's a win-win - presumably the fines are calculated to more than offset any public harm done. When you hear a company break an actually meaningful law, the outrage isn't "X is breaking the law!", it's "X is doing…

> I think Uber breaks the laws because the people making decisions in uber do not see the laws as useful, and I agree with that opinion.

I don't see speed limits and red lights as useful, because they slow me down. If I were rich and amoral enough, I could drive however I wanted, pay the fines, and simply not care.

Laws are created by a democratic society, and individual members don't get to unilaterally declare that laws are "not useful" while still remaining members of that society.

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Post by Jordrok »

Applejinx wrote: post #214
jacquesm wrote: post #142

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Well, those 'high performers' are a liability more than they are an asset at the moment so that would have been a very bad call. Uber is not exactly SpaceX and any 'high performers' that think they are so above the law that they get to destroy the company culture and cause a tsunami of bad press should be sacked pronto. Nothing less will start to stem the tide.

It all depends on what constitutes 'bad press' and the company culture. If the valuation of Uber is based on how much they are monsters with no consideration for anything else, none of this counts as bad press provided that Uber can still beat everything and everybody it's in conflict with. Stealing ideas from Google? If they can't get away with it, that's catastrophic. If they DO get away with it that's a thumb in t…

Yeah. Sounds eerily similar to the story of a certain real estate developer turned politician.

It's a little bit like attempting to achieve escape velocity. If you succeed then everything is fine, but if you fall even a little bit short, it all comes crashing to the ground.

Only time will tell, but I'll be pulling (har har) for Team Gravity.

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Post by hyperbovine »

Kinnard wrote: post #196
hyperbovine wrote: post #195

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I'll be the judge of that.

Without the context?

If the summary is truly eyebrow-raising then yes, I'd move the little pointer to the top of the screen and click the link. Whatever point you are trying to make here seems way overblown.

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Post by marssaxman »

sebleon wrote: post #225
fredophile wrote: post #223

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I'd guess that a large fraction of people that deleted the Uber app and installed a competitor have not reinstalled. Once you've gone through that there isn't much point in reinstalling Uber. However, I don't know how many people did this vs just uninstalling Uber without a replacement or leaving it installed but not using the app. Those two groups probably had higher rates of people going back to Uber.

I disagree - I've had Uber and Lyft for years, and I check both to compare prices and ETA. For the past 6 months, I've noticed that Uber can be 40-60% cheaper than Lyft. I doubt former Uber users will forget what prices are like.

How exactly do you perform this price comparison? In my experience you only find out what the ride cost after it's over. Or do you regularly travel the same routes often enough that you can run a personal A/B test?
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