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Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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Everybody knows what you're saying. There are many people who only use Windows because they need software that only runs on Windows. Switching to something else requires you to replace that software. That's a cost. But having an OS that you first pay money for and then have it show you ads is also a cost. Every time they do something like this, it increases the number of people for which the second cost now outweighs…

> Switching to something else requires you to replace that software. That's a cost. My point is that this is impossible. You can't buy the software you need at any cost. It does not exist. You can't even consider other platforms for this reason. > you can still contact your software vendors and ask them for a Linux version. Zero interest in that for on simple reason: There's nothing wrong with deploying and using the…

> My point is that this is impossible. You can't buy the software you need at any cost. It does not exist. You can't even consider other platforms for this reason.

There are people who can. Most people don't use $50K worth of Windows-locked CAD software. 80% of people who use Microsoft Office can get by perfectly well with LibreOffice or Google Docs, despite the loud objections from the remaining 20%.

> Why would a company bifurcate their development effort to support multiple platforms when it isn't necessary.

Because it's profitable. There are already people who use other platforms. Typically software prices are the inverse of popularity; more specialized software costs more. How many users does it take at $50K/user to justify the porting cost? 50? 500? That is not a large number against platforms with millions of existing users.

And porting to three platforms costs about the same as two, because the differences between Unix-like systems are much smaller than the difference between Windows and Mac, and by that point you're already on a cross-platform framework like Qt and cross-platform database like postgres. So adding support for Mac justifies adding support for Linux, whether it did initially or not.

> Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea at all. But, frankly, we probably spend significantly less than 1% of our time fiddling around with files in Explorer. When I am spending 12 hours a day on SolidWorks I couldn't care less what happens with explorer.

The problem is the only thing they hear is money, and you need to be objecting to this more than anyone else for your own benefit.

Every time they do something like this they lose users at the margin, because the annoyance pushes those users above the switching cost. Those users are gone, because then the cost is to switch back. But every user they lose increases the level of ad spam the average remaining user will tolerate, because they know those users have higher switching costs and therefore a higher tolerance for ad spam before losing their business.

Which means the only way for you, as someone with very high switching costs, to avoid being inundated with ad spam in the near future, is to push the switching costs down for as many people as you can. Demand that all your professional software be supported on Linux, even if you aren't going to use it on Linux. Encourage the people who can switch more easily than you to do it. Because that's the point where they stop -- when the number of users they lose costs more than the profit from the ads.

If they stick you with ads and you don't like it but nobody does anything about it, tomorrow there will be even more ads.

Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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Every minute I spend "resolving minor issues" is a minute I have to repeat if I ever reinstall, a minute where I could be getting work done but am instead dinking with the tools rather than using them, a minute where I am not using my computer for the thing I want to be using my computer for. Manual screwing around in .conf files, having to care about what GPU is in use and fussing around with configurators before us…

People hit problems on Windows, too. According to your sort it's never Microsoft's fault or the shitty vendor's fault. As soon as you hit a problem on Linux, troubleshooting is out of the question and the only logical conclusion is that Linux is a garbage platform entirely unsuited to end-user use. Fuck off, spend 10 minutes fixing your shit and quit bitching or stick to your ad-ridden Windows 10 Spyware Edition.

> fixing your shit and quit bitching or stick to your ad-ridden Windows 10 Spyware Edition.

I'm a "computer guy" so I'll take the former. Most every one takes the latter.

Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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> Try running low on [iCloud] storage That bit's important - I don't have to be using Microsoft's storage system at all to loose a good 200 pixels to the banner after every restart. I'm not even signed into a Microsoft account with my account; doesn't matter.

That's the point though; I'm not running low on iCloud storage. I've never put a single file in iCloud storage, at least not from my MacBook (my iPhone seems to automatically back up, but I'm not sure that counts as 'files'). I'm running out of disk space on my MacBook and it wants me to buy iCloud storage so I can offload things to the cloud. I'm not an existing customer, I've never given them a dime for storage, an…

Interesting. I've never seen an advert for iCloud storage, unless I'm looking at the iCloud settings page, or when I've consumed all of my available space. Then again, I haven't filled my disks to the point of exhaustion recently.

Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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I'm so divided on Microsoft these days. On the one hand they are doing all the right things in terms of supporting FOSS and making Windows into a truly great OS. But then they pull stuff like this and you remember it's Microsoft. I think this is just the price we are going to pay for "evergreen" operating systems. As a consumer, you now only buy Windows once. Microsoft has to make up for these lost sales so it makes…

I think their Windows division is still stuck in Balmer's era. OTOH, Dev and Cloud divs are new Microsoft.

Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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No, we're talking about an OS shipping with ads (that you can turn off) and an OS shipping with a theme that some people don't like (that you can change). One of these is a gross breach of trust on the part of the OS. You know the difference, cut the crap.

> You know the difference, cut the crap.

This kind of incivility isn't allowed here, regardless of how strongly you feel or how wrong the other person is. Same with "Don't be an ass" elsewhere in the thread. Your comments would have been fine with such bits edited out. Please do that in the future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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A more open format? You mean ODF? A niche format that literally only cough free software enthusiasts cough care about? You know what happens when you give someone .ODF in the real world? "Hey, (I can't open this|This looks completely broken), can you resend as doc/docx please?" As for reading documents, who cares if it renders differently? People in enterprise, which accounts for most usage of Office.

>A more open format? You mean ODF? A niche format that literally only cough free software enthusiasts cough care about? Don't be an ass. ODF is a format that works correctly on both, that's all that matters. >You know what happens when you give someone .ODF in the real world? "Hey, (I can't open this|This looks completely broken), can you resend as doc/docx please?" https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Difference…

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Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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Isn't Microsoft starting to block updates to Windows 7 on new hardware?

Yes: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4012982/discusses-a...

They're not "blocking" updates, they've stopped writing and compiling them with the backwards compatibility shims that made them work on older hardware. They probably do this because it drives updates AND because it's cheaper, but please try to describe it accurately.

Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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When will Microsoft stop with this shit, and do a 180 degree U-turn? What does it need? It's unbelievable how MSFT turned Windows from the great Win7 to the worst spyware operating system in human history aka Win10 in just 5 years. Is it just greed? Is it that they failed with Mobile (WinPhone is dead and has 0.1% world wide market share) and Android amd iOS have a bigger market share than Windows 7? (Win10 has way s…

Well, I think we should calm down from the paranoia a little bit. Nobody has ever proven any actual spying on windows 10 (it's actually a very secure system) What everybody's talking about are metrics. Anonymous usage metrics. And trust me, as a user and programmer I know of no company that doesn't collect metrics like that. It's totally common. Between, as far as I know, from the next update "creators" (this or next…

It doesn’t even matter if certain information is not sent now; with a well-established mechanism for doing so, anyone can make it happen in the future (new management, disgruntled employee, whatever). The correct course of action was to not have that crap in there in the first place because it is not necessary by definition for an operating system to function.

Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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At this point all the available desktop OS choices suck. They suck in different ways for different reasons, and they suck by different amounts. But they do - all - suck. It's truly tragic. As a species, we're hoping to build a self-enhancing mega-AI, but we can't even keep relatively basic OS technology stable without breaking it. I absolutely understand that some of the reasons for breakage are economic and politica…

I have to say that I'm absolutely in love with Arch linux. It's some work to set up, and it's not exactly novice friendly, but once it's set up, you barely have to muck with it—it just works. Truly a wonderful OS for the tech savvy.

Use Antergos and skip the convoluted Arch install.

Re: Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn them off

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I'm so divided on Microsoft these days. On the one hand they are doing all the right things in terms of supporting FOSS and making Windows into a truly great OS. But then they pull stuff like this and you remember it's Microsoft. I think this is just the price we are going to pay for "evergreen" operating systems. As a consumer, you now only buy Windows once. Microsoft has to make up for these lost sales so it makes…

You make up for one loss of revenue by creating new products or services. You don’t ruin what few products you have.
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