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Education is an expensive burden on the society that have not proven to worth its value in terms of Return Over Investment. Funnily, the only persons asserting the value of diploma ... are PhD in ivy league business schools... selling expensive diplomas... Education is probably a large scale scam in its actual form: too long, too expensive, counter-productive and overrated. Cf Henri Mintzberg essay on why MBA for ins…

> Education is an expensive burden on the society that have not proven to worth its value in terms of Return Over Investment. As a person from a region of the world with a high level of illiteracy an having witnessed firsthand the ROI of an uneducated citizenry, I would question this assertion

I honestly can't understand how people spout some of this crap.

I've also grown up in a region where education was overlooked, and living with complete fucking morons is not fun. Especially when these morons themselves think that education is worthless, which is a snowball effect meaning many of their children will be stupid, as well.

On the other hand, it's easier to control them if you want to. Like they did in Medieval ages and earlier. Yeah, let's go back to that.

The ROI is as indirect and long term as it gets, but it's real and it's massive.

Re: Ask HN: What is the most important publicly unknown fact in your industry?

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In the US, how hard it is even for your insurance company to figure out if a doctor/hospital/etc. is in or out of their contracted network.

You'd think "how hard can it be, you either signed a contract with them and have it on file, or not". Well...

When the insurer signs a contract with, say, a doctor, what is happening is not "anything this doctor does for someone on one of our plans is covered by this contract". Instead, whether something falls under the contract or not depends on a whole bunch of factors, including but not limited to:

* The doctor's NPI (provider identification number, issued by US Medicare/Medicaid).

* The particular medical specialties and credentials of the doctor.

* The location(s) where the doctor renders services and the type(s) of services rendered.

* The federal tax identification number and billing entity the doctor bills as.

* The address the doctor submits on the bill.

So suppose Dr. Jane Doe signs on to your insurer's network. She's contracted as a primary-care physician, rendering services in her office at 123 Main Street Suite B, under NPI 1111111111, and will bill as Jane Doe Medical, tax ID 222-22-2222, payment to be sent to her billing office at 234 Second Street.

And you go to Dr. Jane Doe and have no trouble, until one day you get a notice back from your insurance company that suddenly she's no longer in network. She swears up and down that she's still in network with them, so it must be the insurance company's fault, right?

Well, the thing is that she merged operations with Dr. John Roe in the next office suite over, and now is billing as Doe & Roe Medical, tax ID 333-33-3333, payment to be sent to 345 Elm Avenue. And there's no contract for that!

Or she outsourced all her medical billing to MedBillCo, which again changes information the contract is keyed to. Or she also holds credentials for other types of medical practice and was rendering service of that type, maybe at a local hospital. Or she kept her tax ID and billing the same but moved her office from 123 Main Street Suite B to 123 Main Street Suite C. Or the post office realigned the boundaries of her zip code, and she "moved" from zip 11111 to zip code 11112 as a result.

This sort of thing happens all the time.

I'm told that LexisNexis once came to an (I think optimistic) estimate that the half-life of medical provider data is 18 months. So gather up all the information on your network of doctors and hospitals, carefully vet and double-check it, make sure everything is full and correct and up-to-date... and 18 months later half of it will be wrong, just due to the background rate of changes to office locations, credentials, billing entities, etc.

So after working for a little over a year at a company that has to deal with this, I am not surprised at all when I hear someone complain that "it's the same doctor I went to last time, nothing changed, they're still in network, so why can't the insurance figure that out?" Nothing visible to the person complaining has changed, sure. But that tells you nothing. I am more often surprised that anyone is ever able to correctly determine in- or out-of-network status; being able to do it even a fraction of the time is frankly a minor miracle, and requires a whole lot of people toiling away behind the scenes.

For the record: I work for a company in the Medicare space, and we're required to revalidate all our provider information at least once every 90 days, precisely for this reason. Also, you don't want to know what the industry average is for correctness of printed provider-directory booklets. Even if it's sent off to the printers the day the up-to-date data has been validated, some not-insignificant proportion of it will already be wrong by the time it arrives in someone's mailbox, just because of how often and how quickly the information changes.

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post #24

Not my industry any more, but a PhD isn't about pushing the frontiers of knowledge so much as being a training program for working in academia.

I agree to a degree, but this is dependent on field. Some fields it's about networking, some its about getting a foot into a door into a lab.

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That we are actually quite close to the development of a panoply of working rejuvenation therapies capable of significantly extending human life spans, were the right lines of research and development just more aggressively funded than is the case at present.

Head transplants are actually considered feasible today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37420905/the-surgeon-w...

Re: Ask HN: What is the most important publicly unknown fact in your industry?

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post #13

Education is an expensive burden on the society that have not proven to worth its value in terms of Return Over Investment. Funnily, the only persons asserting the value of diploma ... are PhD in ivy league business schools... selling expensive diplomas... Education is probably a large scale scam in its actual form: too long, too expensive, counter-productive and overrated. Cf Henri Mintzberg essay on why MBA for ins…

> Education is an expensive burden on the society that have not proven to worth its value in terms of Return Over Investment. As a person from a region of the world with a high level of illiteracy an having witnessed firsthand the ROI of an uneducated citizenry, I would question this assertion

I think it's a matter of value being shaped by under- or oversupply.

Speaking of illiteracy, there's an urban legend (not sure if true, anyone with access to data please check it) that literacy rate has actually dropped in the US throughout the 20th century, coinciding with increase of education "supply".

Re: Ask HN: What is the most important publicly unknown fact in your industry?

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● The two most successful and widely used to solve everyday problems paradigms/environments: spreadsheets and shell scripting (with pipes, etc.) are the ones that have the least attention from “industrial” and academic programmers. Lessons and strong points from those systems are being ignored.

● There are “clusters of bugs”, i.e., finding a bug in a certain module increases a chance to find a subsequent bug in the same module. This is understood intuitively by most people yet very few act on it, discarding modules that have too many bugs (and rewriting them from scratch) instead of continuing to sink resources into maintenance.

● While professionals in other industries use professional tools, programmers use commodity hardware and software (the kind a homemaker would use to google a guacamole recipe). :(

● Managers and programmers think that personality traits and team members' individualities do not matter and there's no role “human factor” plays in development. Ditto for self-organization vs constantly “organizing”/policing employees.

● There were pretty cool systems back in the day (with orthogonal persistence, ability to inspect and modify any object on-the-fly, etc.). The modern ones are not “bad” either but some lessons could still be learned.

● Sometimes there are notions that bad software is created due to sales people/economic pressure but analysis of, say, build tools shows that it is not the case. ;)

Re: Ask HN: What is the most important publicly unknown fact in your industry?

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post #13

Education is an expensive burden on the society that have not proven to worth its value in terms of Return Over Investment. Funnily, the only persons asserting the value of diploma ... are PhD in ivy league business schools... selling expensive diplomas... Education is probably a large scale scam in its actual form: too long, too expensive, counter-productive and overrated. Cf Henri Mintzberg essay on why MBA for ins…

> Education is an expensive burden on the society that have not proven to worth its value in terms of Return Over Investment. As a person from a region of the world with a high level of illiteracy an having witnessed firsthand the ROI of an uneducated citizenry, I would question this assertion

I believe he is referring to postsecondary education specifically. In North America, K-12 exists to make one a functioning member of society. For what flaws it may have, it has overall shown to be beneficial.

With that measured success, we got the idea that once you were a functioning member of society, you could become a functioning member of the workforce simply by continuing in even more years of schooling. But it's not clear if it has really worked out. In 1970, approximately 10% of the US population had a bachelors degree or higher. In 2017, that number is closer to 30%, yet incomes have remained stagnant throughout that entire period and job quality has declined. Not what you'd expect from the promised higher incomes and better jobs that people were willing to spend large amounts of money for.

Re: Ask HN: What is the most important publicly unknown fact in your industry?

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That we are actually quite close to the development of a panoply of working rejuvenation therapies capable of significantly extending human life spans, were the right lines of research and development just more aggressively funded than is the case at present.

Name and shame, with links to the promising methods?

Re: Ask HN: What is the most important publicly unknown fact in your industry?

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post #13

Education is an expensive burden on the society that have not proven to worth its value in terms of Return Over Investment. Funnily, the only persons asserting the value of diploma ... are PhD in ivy league business schools... selling expensive diplomas... Education is probably a large scale scam in its actual form: too long, too expensive, counter-productive and overrated. Cf Henri Mintzberg essay on why MBA for ins…

> Education is an expensive burden on the society that have not proven to worth its value in terms of Return Over Investment. As a person from a region of the world with a high level of illiteracy an having witnessed firsthand the ROI of an uneducated citizenry, I would question this assertion

It's worth distinguishing between basic literacy (including basic math skills) and graduate-level specialty degrees.

For one, if the labor market in a particular specialty becomes oversaturated, does that mean existing grads need to spend years retraining?

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