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Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by andai »

paulcole wrote: post #190
CPLX wrote: post #168

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Because they are a computer company. Their inability to make a top of the line desktop is threatening my ability to justify buying their laptops or anything else from them. I run a company. I'm not going to mix and match operating systems and if I can't have high end desktops for heavy media work I'm going to switch everything eventually. I'm not abnormal. People keep trying to come up with some 4D chess explanations…

>Because they are a computer company. You saying this doesn't make it true. To a neutral observer, Apple looks like a technology company that makes consumer products, including sometimes computers.

> Apple Computer

Edit: From Wikipedia:

During his keynote speech at the Macworld Expo on January 9, 2007, Jobs announced that Apple Computer, Inc. would thereafter be known as "Apple Inc.", because the company had shifted its emphasis from computers to consumer electronics.[93][94] This event also saw the announcement of the iPhone and the Apple TV.

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by chadcmulligan »

temac wrote: post #172
Someone wrote: post #170

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_When_ you're buying a license, you're not " buying said SW", and you will have to abide by the rules of the license. (As to the _When_, that can a point for contention, given that consumer software marketing material typically doesn't explicitly mention the license)

I was serious: you can't put any obligation you want in a SW license and hope it can be enforced against those who buy said license. And it has been debated whether restriction to run consumer general purpose software on specific hardware, especially when that sw can be obtained independently of any hardware, can be enforced or not.

Yes I remember bringing up a software license with a lawyer I was talking to some years ago for a product I was selling - he laughed. I don't know if it's changed much since then - most of that stuff is untested in court AFAIK

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by a-kojeve »

andai wrote: post #201
paulcole wrote: post #190

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>Because they are a computer company. You saying this doesn't make it true. To a neutral observer, Apple looks like a technology company that makes consumer products, including sometimes computers.

> Apple Computer Edit: From Wikipedia: During his keynote speech at the Macworld Expo on January 9, 2007, Jobs announced that Apple Computer, Inc. would thereafter be known as "Apple Inc.", because the company had shifted its emphasis from computers to consumer electronics.[93][94] This event also saw the announcement of the iPhone and the Apple TV.

Obviously the shareholders want the business to focus on whats the most profitable. iPhone seems basically to be a license to print money for Apple.

Still, I think there are two arguments:

They are sitting on so much cash. There is obviously a cultural or organizational problem that produces to much friction to keep this product line up to date. I'm fairly certain many other corporations, if provided access to basically infinite cash, could figure out how to put new ram in an existing product line every year.

There's huge value in having creative professionals and developers use your product. Keeping people in your ecosystem is important. This might be hard to quantify on the bottom line, but it seems like an obvious strategic mistake to give up this advantage.

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by paulcole »

a-kojeve wrote: post #203
andai wrote: post #201

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> Apple Computer Edit: From Wikipedia: During his keynote speech at the Macworld Expo on January 9, 2007, Jobs announced that Apple Computer, Inc. would thereafter be known as "Apple Inc.", because the company had shifted its emphasis from computers to consumer electronics.[93][94] This event also saw the announcement of the iPhone and the Apple TV.

Obviously the shareholders want the business to focus on whats the most profitable. iPhone seems basically to be a license to print money for Apple. Still, I think there are two arguments: They are sitting on so much cash. There is obviously a cultural or organizational problem that produces to much friction to keep this product line up to date. I'm fairly certain many other corporations, if provided access to basica…

>Keeping people in your ecosystem is important.

What if the ecosystem they want is iPads and iPhones?

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by askvictor »

lisper wrote: post #84
nateberkopec wrote: post #28

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Yeah. I buy Macs because they "just work", so a Hackintosh completely destroys the point of even owning a Mac for me.

Except that Macs don't "just work" any more. At best they "just work" until the day that Apple decides to deprecate a feature or an application that you have come to rely on (for me it's iPhoto) and then it stops working. It doesn't crash, it just says, "Sorry, this application cannot run on this version of MacOS." But from the user's point of view the effect is the same. [UPDATE] Case in point: one of the banking ap…

Indeed; I switched to Mac for 6 months after getting sick of trying to get things to work how I want them and be stable, on windows or Linux. Ended up being Just as fiddly, and needing to reboot at least once per week due to some kernel item chewing through increasing CPU. back on windows now; not perfect, but good enough for now.

My conjecture is that my hatred for any system will increase the more I use it, to the point of switching to another system, then the cycle repeats.

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by askvictor »

Nexxxeh wrote: post #140
lisper wrote: post #84

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Except that Macs don't "just work" any more. At best they "just work" until the day that Apple decides to deprecate a feature or an application that you have come to rely on (for me it's iPhoto) and then it stops working. It doesn't crash, it just says, "Sorry, this application cannot run on this version of MacOS." But from the user's point of view the effect is the same. [UPDATE] Case in point: one of the banking ap…

I think Macs "just working" has always been a myth. Ask anyone who gets paid to fix Macs. Sure, I see less of them, but hardly unexpected considering people buy fewer of them (and they're less targetted by malware). On the other hand, I hate dealing with them because they can suffer from the same "it should work but doesn't" crap that Windows machines do but without the critical mass of support via Google. And unless…

We had an (recent) iMac that just kept randomly crashing. Apple replaced most of the parts inside it, and it kept doing it. Eventually they have us new one. Kudos for that; random errors are a pain to diagnose and fix, but they did.

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by jlgaddis »

I know I could Google and read about some experiences but since this made me think about it... have any of you HN'ers tried to virtualize OS X or run it virtualized (on anything other than an OS X host) on a regular basis?

I've got a (still pretty new) high-end MacBook Pro sitting at the end of my desk but -- after putting together a new, extremely over-built workstation a few months ago -- I haven't even turned it on since I don't know when. I've got KVM/qemu, VMware Workstation, and VirtualBox all installed on my workstation, though, and it might be interesting to try to get OS X running under one of them.

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by kalleboo »

rsync wrote: post #134
haxxorfreak wrote: post #133

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I have the same Early 2009 octa-core model and have done a few upgrades here and there and I have to say I find the system nearly as responsive as the new 2016 MacBook Pro I use at work. The first thing I added was a CalDigit FASTA-6GU3 SATA3/USB3 card. This gives you two internal SATA3 connectors (bootable) which I'm using for my macOS boot SSD. It also has two eSATA ports and 2x USB 3.0 ports and only takes up a si…

Great - many thanks - this is very helpful. "Next was a NVIDIA GTX 970 card" How many PCI slots does that card take up ? I currently drive four monitors with my mac pro and the single slot aspect of the gt120s makes that easy ... "All in all this is the best Mac I've ever owned and it amazes me it works as well as it does being almost 8 years old now." I know, right ? I regularly have 20+ chrome tabs open along with…

> My only issue is that I have only ever run snow leopard on it and now chrome no longer has updates, so I need to move to ... mavericks maybe ? I feel like mavericks is the most stable/sane OSX release since SL ...

This will obviously depend on the hardware/software you use but Mavericks was the buggiest and worst OS X release on my rMBP. I was rebooting weekly due to weird graphics drivers glitches and inexplicable OS slowdowns. El Cap had a rough start, but was fine after a couple point releases. I've had no issues whatsoever with Sierra.

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by Baeocystin »

jlgaddis wrote: post #207

I know I could Google and read about some experiences but since this made me think about it... have any of you HN'ers tried to virtualize OS X or run it virtualized (on anything other than an OS X host) on a regular basis? I've got a (still pretty new) high-end MacBook Pro sitting at the end of my desk but -- after putting together a new, extremely over-built workstation a few months ago -- I haven't even turned it o…

I got Snow Leopard running under VMware a few years back. It 'worked', in that I could do most things, but sound was glitchy, and updates would regularly break things.

My ultimate answer was just to give up on Apple on the desktop and stay in the Windows/Linux worlds. I'm just not going to invest any further time on a system that is owned by a company that clearly doesn't care about it, and is actively hostile to attempts (like virtualization) to use the system in a larger context.

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by chx »

gervase wrote: post #173
chx wrote: post #149

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Is there really a difference you can feel (not measure) between NVMe and SATA SSDs? I am just wondering. I myself don't dare to go Windows because of malware. Linux is where it is.

For me, I didn't notice much of a difference in performance. Ostensibly, the benchmarks say that it is ~5x faster, but on a day-to-day basis, I barely notice this - I rarely transfer files larger than ~10GB. However, what I did appreciate was the (in-the-case) logistics difference of installing an M.2 drive; one screw, no cables, almost as easy as a RAM upgrade. Not having to fuss with SATA was a pleasure, and remind…

SATA drives exist in m.2 format too.
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