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Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Post by parenthephobia »

macspoofing wrote: post #37
jtchang wrote: post #17

It's sad how much flying has changed since 9/11. Younger individuals will never realize how much easier it was to get through security. I'm sad at how he was treated and it's something that needs to be changed. It's not like treating anyone badly is going to result in more information.

>It's sad how much flying has changed since 9/11. Sad but predictable in a world with a global movement of suicidal religious fanatics willing to murder thousands of people and cause billions in property damage. It is what is. I miss the old days too, but I wouldn't vote to water-down airport security. >I'm sad at how he was treated and it's something that needs to be changed. Does it? He refused the millimeter wave…

> Where did the TSA go wrong here?

Perhaps it was the bit where they held him for 18 hours without charge, due process, food, or water.

Edit: Misread the article. He was held for 3½ hours. Still, refusing to give him a glass of water was not necessary, unless water-activated throat-bombs are now a thing.

In a more general sense, TSA went wrong the same way they usually go wrong. Kafka-esque "you're not detained but you can't leave" nonsense designed to side-step due process, comically ignorant staff who think Islam is the only religion brown people can have, whilst not even being effective at detecting contraband.

Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

notburnt wrote: post #28

The chemical test positive happened to me too: they swabbed my bag and the machine beeped and I got a free full body massage. This was when I was flying home from college for summer. I explained it as "This is the bag I use for school: something must have touched it during chem lab". I am a coward for saying this, but your objective when flying is to get to point B. So, make it easy on the jack-booted thugs. You don'…

The chemical swab (at least the one they use in Canada) seems to get set off by something in my wife's cosmetics pantheon. An agent made life hard for us on our last trip, almost made us miss our flight, very stressful.

I have heard, can't confirm, that glycerin soap will detect as a "bomb ingredient". Considering how ubiquitous glycerin soap, that's a rather terrible test.

Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Post by Vivtek »

phkahler wrote: post #44
macspoofing wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's sad how much flying has changed since 9/11. Sad but predictable in a world with a global movement of suicidal religious fanatics willing to murder thousands of people and cause billions in property damage. It is what is. I miss the old days too, but I wouldn't vote to water-down airport security. >I'm sad at how he was treated and it's something that needs to be changed. Does it? He refused the millimeter wave…

He didn't refuse the scanner, he was given a choice and when his choice was going to get complicated he could no longer switch back to the scanner. He did opt for the scanner on his new flight. But none of that is really relevant to how he was treated. Why deny him a glass of water?

What better way to put him in his place than to deny him his humanity?

Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Post by literallycancer »

thr3290 wrote: post #43

> timestamp on the paper: 10:40. ..... It was 2:20PM So this guy sets off the alarm (swab probably found traces of explosives ), has no paperwork in order (proof of work), and has to wait for 3 hours before it gets resolved. Last time the HN crowd was enraged over someone who was questioned for 15 minutes... I was detained overnight, and some of my friends were denied entry to US for bullshit reasons... It is like a…

>has no paperwork in order (proof of work)

Oh? I must have missed the law that required people to do be able to prove where they work at all times.

>and has to wait for 3 hours before it gets resolved

By this time, I hadn’t had any food or water in almost eighteen hours.

Learning to read would be a good start.

Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Post by wirelessest »

pfooti wrote: post #45
tpolm wrote: post #6

Opting out of multimeter scans: not even once

I opt out every time, or did before I got precheck (I know, irony). I never had anything remotely like this experience, and my shaving soap has set off the gas chromatograph machine twice. I still bring it with me when I travel (it doesn't always trigger the machine, but that's a different discussion about the pointlessness of a machine with a lousy false positive rate being used to test for something with a vanishin…

I'm in the same position. And use the same day bag for train travel as my carry-on, meaning I've brought packs of razor blades on planes by accident more than once. (And a hunting knife once after a camping trip). The theater around keeping us safe is really about protecting us from non-whites

Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Post by Vivtek »

tuna-piano wrote: post #10

Do you believe the government entered his apartment? It seems at least somewhat likely. They see the sparse apartment and picture of some religious thing on the wall, and it freaks them out. They take the picture back to their office to figure out what the hell it is. I'm not knowledgeable about this stuff, but it seems like they could have used a "sneak and peek" warrant, as authorized in the patriot act. https://ww…

Stole his picture.

Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Post by phkahler »

Vivtek wrote: post #53
phkahler wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't refuse the scanner, he was given a choice and when his choice was going to get complicated he could no longer switch back to the scanner. He did opt for the scanner on his new flight. But none of that is really relevant to how he was treated. Why deny him a glass of water?

What better way to put him in his place than to deny him his humanity?

On thinking about it, the mild mistreatment over a period of hours could be deliberate so as to induce stress and make him crack. Hence repeatedly asking the same questions looking for him to slip up if any part of the story was fabricated.

Re: Don't Fly During Ramadan (2013)

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Post by macspoofing »

kefka wrote: post #47
macspoofing wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's sad how much flying has changed since 9/11. Sad but predictable in a world with a global movement of suicidal religious fanatics willing to murder thousands of people and cause billions in property damage. It is what is. I miss the old days too, but I wouldn't vote to water-down airport security. >I'm sad at how he was treated and it's something that needs to be changed. Does it? He refused the millimeter wave…

> Sad but predictable in a world with a global movement of suicidal religious fanatics willing to murder thousands of people and cause billions in property damage. It is what is. I miss the old days too, but I wouldn't vote to water-down airport security. Say, are you referring to the Extremist Moslems, or Extremist Christians? Both have their fair share of "incidents". Perhaps you've never heard of the KKK? They're…

>Say, are you referring to the Extremist Moslems, or Extremist Christians?

I was referring to 9/11, obviously, because that resulted in our modern security state.

>That whole innocent until proven guilty in a court of law... It doesn't count for non-Christians, does it?

I'm not sure how 'innocent until proven guilty' applies here. Are you saying we don't need any airport security because that presumes guilt?

>Both have their fair share of "incidents". Perhaps you've never heard of the KKK? They're Protestant Christians.

Ok. I suspect I know what you're getting at, but you're injecting your skewed interpretation on what I wrote, as opposed to what I actually wrote.

>That's what this all really comes down to. Not while christians, eh?

I'm sure there are all kinds of people that are willing to murder others and airport security targets them as well.

EDIT:

I have to say, I really dislike the bigoteer tone in your response.

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