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Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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Post by JBReefer »

cm2187 wrote: post #56
nikanj wrote: post #42

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No dedicated testing team is ever going to beat the developers dogfooding the tool daily. I wish I had access to metrics from stackoverflow et al, to see if Microsoft inhouse developers use Edge

I don't think they use Office either. The only software where you can tell that they dogfood it is Visual Studio. Every change makes sense, is useful, user friendly and corresponds to problems I have met. The other software that you would assume they dogfood but it doesn't show is Windows 10...

What? I'm sure they use Office at MS, it's used in every other non-sv office I've ever worked at.

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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Post by cm2187 »

JBReefer wrote: post #64
cm2187 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they use Office either. The only software where you can tell that they dogfood it is Visual Studio. Every change makes sense, is useful, user friendly and corresponds to problems I have met. The other software that you would assume they dogfood but it doesn't show is Windows 10...

What? I'm sure they use Office at MS, it's used in every other non-sv office I've ever worked at.

The 2007 UI was a major step backward in term of productivity. Everyone I know who uses Office extensively still miss the 2003 UI.

Also there are lots of use cases that they never bothered fixing or improving, which show they don't really use it. Like non resizable windows in excel (eg function wizard). Linking a powerpoint deck to an excel model (no good solution now). No way to do placeholders within a textbox in powerpoint (like you can in word). VBA not having evolved in nearly 20 years. You don't see this sort of "I don't give a shit" attitude with Visual Studio.

I am sure someone in the finance or marketing department at Microsoft uses office and is as frustrated as every other power user. But the developers in the office team clearly do not use their own product. If there are still any dev in the office team. The only changes I see from version to version are purely cosmetic.

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

Etheryte wrote: post #52
my123 wrote: post #51

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Yup, Edge is finally more stable in 1703, but that's a week away ;)

That's what they always say about IE: it'll be good next patch or version.

And it's always true - the next version, not the current, will be good! just wait for it! again! ;-)

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

r1ch wrote: post #53
d99kris wrote: post #41

I've had problems with QUIC in various networks (corp, home) mainly in Singapore for more than a year. Until the point I disable QUIC as one of the first steps when I encounter GMail connectivity problems from Chrome/Chromium on a fresh machine. I find it odd that QUIC is enabled by default when it apparently has poor fallback capabilities to "non-QUIC" mode.

The internet is in a pretty sad state if a simple UDP stream isn't possible any more because of interfering middleboxes. It's not like QUIC is a new IP protocol. One of the reasons for lack of good fallback is probably an expectation that basic IP operations are functional.

I'm guessing NAT has a lot to do with UDP issues on the interwebz.

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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Post by NetStrikeForce »

1_player wrote: post #36

I'm going to hijack this thread to describe something weird that's happened to me yesterday w/ Google: just connected on my usual BT (UK) wifi, and when I opened google.com, Safari complained about an invalid SSL certificate: it was self-signed, with expiration in 2111. After a dozen refreshes, everything started to work, with the correct certificate. Anybody seen anything like that? Is it possible that a corrupted p…

Yes, your BT router MITMs from time to time just because :)

Every time you connect a new device, you get a start page with the "welcome to your BT broadband" or whatever stupid thing they want. This screwed me for a few hours when I bought an Xbox One and most of the images wouldn't load. Had to open the browser, acknowledge the f*cking page and go on with my life.

Looking for a new router now...

Re: Chrome/macOS users in The Netherlands cannot visit google.com or google.nl

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Post by jorvi »

cm2187 wrote: post #65
JBReefer wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? I'm sure they use Office at MS, it's used in every other non-sv office I've ever worked at.

The 2007 UI was a major step backward in term of productivity. Everyone I know who uses Office extensively still miss the 2003 UI. Also there are lots of use cases that they never bothered fixing or improving, which show they don't really use it. Like non resizable windows in excel (eg function wizard). Linking a powerpoint deck to an excel model (no good solution now). No way to do placeholders within a textbox in p…

Pretty much everyone I know likes the Ribbon UI, you don't have to drill down in nearly as much menus. Granted, it only really started to get better after 2011, but its excellent now. There's a reason there's such a huge pressure on LibreOffice to come with some kind of interface paradigm that doesn't feel like it's from the 90s.
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