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Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by maxerickson »

alpha_squared wrote: post #89
maxerickson wrote: post #80

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In the context of healthcare, the shared responsibility provisions are often called job killing: https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/employers/questions-... It's more expensive to have 50 employees than 49. Also, a green card doesn't really expire, people overstay travel and work permits. A green card is for immigrants that have permanent permission to stay. Immigration policy certainly has lots of discretionary…

Thanks for that! I wonder if that's better solved by more logical regulation rather than deregulation. You're right, my use of green card is incorrect -- it's visa. Green cards do expire, though, after 10 years if I'm remembering correctly (it almost happened to me). I just looked up DACA, thanks for pointing that out. Am I misreading it on Wikipedia?[0] It doesn't seem very discretionary from that second paragraph o…

It depends on what your goals are.

Repealing the ACA and cutting taxes is pretty well in keeping with stated Republican goals (one of the stopping blocks they have for their repeal is the group of conservatives that think it leaves too much government in the insurance system).

DACA is discretionary in the sense that the government has information that the registrants are not following a regular immigration process and still is not deporting them. "Deferred action" is discretionary enforcement.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by dragonwriter »

maxerickson wrote: post #91
alpha_squared wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for that! I wonder if that's better solved by more logical regulation rather than deregulation. You're right, my use of green card is incorrect -- it's visa. Green cards do expire, though, after 10 years if I'm remembering correctly (it almost happened to me). I just looked up DACA, thanks for pointing that out. Am I misreading it on Wikipedia?[0] It doesn't seem very discretionary from that second paragraph o…

It depends on what your goals are. Repealing the ACA and cutting taxes is pretty well in keeping with stated Republican goals (one of the stopping blocks they have for their repeal is the group of conservatives that think it leaves too much government in the insurance system). DACA is discretionary in the sense that the government has information that the registrants are not following a regular immigration process an…

> "Deferred action" is discretionary enforcement.

Not deferring action is also discretionary enforcement, it's just a different​ choice on how to apply the same discretion.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

cnnsucks wrote: post #61
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #40

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I don't see the Republican Party championing anything for the working class but death. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432796/working-class-wh...

If someone in establishment media wrote with such contempt for any aggrieved minority in the US, for instance the millions of black Americians that destroy themselves, their families and their communities with drugs, alcohol and aggressive anti-intellectualism, they'd be drummed out of the elite bubble as 'racist.' But you can shit on white trash if you want; the Internet will cite your hate for years when you single…

I'm not insulting anyone. I'm pointing out that the intellectual house-organ of the Republican Party is insulting people.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by cnnsucks »

maxxxxx wrote: post #93
cnnsucks wrote: post #88

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"comfortable professional class"

In what way is that offensive?

The "comfortable professional class" doesn't like having their contempt and hate called out, so they mod down their critics.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by divbit »

divbit wrote: post #48
maxxxxx wrote: post #10

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I don't think that Clinton communicated any of these clearly.

At risk of talking politics, for example, she spoke against Sanders plan on universal health care at an important point in the race [1]. If she later changed her stance to be for universal health care, I don't think people either realized it or believed it - basically she needed to commit to it strongly enough so that it would be politically hard to flop after winning and not do it (to gain the voters who cared about…

I suppose one could make the argument that the voters should be able to forgive small gaffes like that, yet here we are.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by eat-a-dick »

maxander wrote: post #87
mcbruiser1 wrote: post #55

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yeah, life isn't fair and never will be. deal with it.

As it happens, I was born in a well-to-do family, given preposterously easy access to education and healthcare, and now make plenty of money in a job that I like doing. And yet I'm still capable of caring, at least ideologically, about the less fortunate. Life isn't fair and perhaps it never will be, but if you don't want it to be fair something is wrong with you.

Fuck the less fortunate. Nobody is entitled to anything. They can eat the crumbs off the bottom of my jack boots.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by douche »

maxxxxx wrote: post #2

I am telling my Democratic friends that instead of whining about the popular vote or talking about resisting Trump in general the Democrats should develop a spine and actually stand for something. If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election.

They'd have to stop pandering to minorities and the lefty elite and get back to their roots. At least their post 70s roots... At one point, Dems owned the house and Senate

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by metaphorm »

faet wrote: post #25
moonshinefe wrote: post #8

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Not as compelling when it's a candidate that has a history of being a war hawk and is in bed with Wallstreet vs. Sanders, perhaps.

There are more people working for "Wallstreet" in New York (461k) than there are people employed in VT (360k). So yes, a senator from NY will be more in bed with "wallstreet" than someone from VT.

I'm calling BS on this. Representing the interests of New York is _not_ what she was criticized for. It was for booking $600,000 "public" (ironic, it was private and secret) speaking events at Goldman Sachs, and such.
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