The headline is untrue: I do not like Bernie Sanders.
What do you not like about him?
Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
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Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#22I respect Bernie, and really admire his class and honestly. However I don't agreee with his economic and political ideology. A "hand-out" government would be near disasterious for America. It goes against one of the core principles of being American, the ability and optimism to work your way up without limits. To start a company that can be successful at home and abroad without excess regulation, red-tape, and buracr…
But "ability and optimism" doesn't make it any easier to work your way up in America.
Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#23I am telling my Democratic friends that instead of whining about the popular vote or talking about resisting Trump in general the Democrats should develop a spine and actually stand for something. If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election.
"compelling message for the working class"
They have a compelling message for the working class. It's a message of contempt and hate. The long marriage of the working class and Democrats has ended and it wasn't the working class that walked out the door. The Democrats are down to the comfortable professional class preening its "values" and a coalition of grievance groups. Everyone else is on the other side pulling back on the stick to stop the dive before we run out of altitude.
Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election. So increasing minimum wage, make it easier to unionize, universal health care, protecting/expanding social security, and a bunch of other policies that would help the working class don't count? The thing is policy doesn't matter. People want 140 characters that make them feel good even if it's bad policy.
I don't think that Clinton communicated any of these clearly.
Study: Hillary Clinton’s TV ads were almost entirely policy-free
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/8/14848636/hil...
Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election. So increasing minimum wage, make it easier to unionize, universal health care, protecting/expanding social security, and a bunch of other policies that would help the working class don't count? The thing is policy doesn't matter. People want 140 characters that make them feel good even if it's bad policy.
Not as compelling when it's a candidate that has a history of being a war hawk and is in bed with Wallstreet vs. Sanders, perhaps.
There are more people working for "Wallstreet" in New York (461k) than there are people employed in VT (360k). So yes, a senator from NY will be more in bed with "wallstreet" than someone from VT.
Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#26I respect Bernie, and really admire his class and honestly. However I don't agreee with his economic and political ideology. A "hand-out" government would be near disasterious for America. It goes against one of the core principles of being American, the ability and optimism to work your way up without limits. To start a company that can be successful at home and abroad without excess regulation, red-tape, and buracr…
"the ability and optimism to work your way up without limits" is absolutely the classic American ideal, but it requires that everyone is given half a chance. If you're too poor to go to college, or can't access treatment for a debilitating illness, or subjected to racist/homophobic/whatever discrimination, you've already lost out on the American dream. Compare the "basic resources required to start working your way up" to Sanders' planned "handouts" and you'll quickly realize they match up very well.
Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#27I am telling my Democratic friends that instead of whining about the popular vote or talking about resisting Trump in general the Democrats should develop a spine and actually stand for something. If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election.
Dems need to eject their tammany-hall-esque party leadership. It was blatantly obvious the dem on the street wanted Bernie but Wasserman-Schultz ignored her constituents.
It was not blatantly obvious. I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but let's be clear. Clinton won the primaries by millions of votes. If more states had primaries instead of caucuses Clinton would have won even more states.
Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#28I am telling my Democratic friends that instead of whining about the popular vote or talking about resisting Trump in general the Democrats should develop a spine and actually stand for something. If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election.
Dems need to eject their tammany-hall-esque party leadership. It was blatantly obvious the dem on the street wanted Bernie but Wasserman-Schultz ignored her constituents.
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Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election. So increasing minimum wage, make it easier to unionize, universal health care, protecting/expanding social security, and a bunch of other policies that would help the working class don't count? The thing is policy doesn't matter. People want 140 characters that make them feel good even if it's bad policy.
I don't think people had faith that these issues were actually what the Dems wanted to go after if they'd have won. Many of these only became talking points for the establishment once it became apparent that Bernie was a threat to them. It's definitely fair to say a large share of Trump voters went with their emotions as you said, but I think a lot of folks didn't believe Hillary would enact a progressive policy. If…
> but I think a lot of folks didn't believe Hillary would enact a progressive policy.
Maybe a lot of liberal folks thought that. I think there were many Trump voters who assumed that she would and they didn't want to see the country go further in that direction, and some of those voters would have preferred staying home to voting for Trump if they thought it wasn't necessary to vote for Trump to stop the country going further left.
This might fall under "lizard-brain" but you can see it in the kind of more-apocalyptic-than-usual rhetoric many people were using, e.g. "this is the Flight 93 election!!!" People saying that sort of crap aren't going to be feeling the Bern.
Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
#30I respect Bernie, and really admire his class and honestly. However I don't agreee with his economic and political ideology. A "hand-out" government would be near disasterious for America. It goes against one of the core principles of being American, the ability and optimism to work your way up without limits. To start a company that can be successful at home and abroad without excess regulation, red-tape, and buracr…
I don't think you have a full understanding of Bernie's positions. "It goes against one of the core principles of being American, the ability to work your way up, without limits." is horseshit. Tell that to a child born in the inner-city with a single parent working 2 jobs and a garbage primary education.
There are success stories that start like inner-city with a single parent working 2 jobs quite often. It is possible, very difficult yet possible. Thats the optimism, if you just give people handouts they lose incentive and drive.