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Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by rjeli »

Although I strongly disagree with a lot of his platform, I still love the guy. You can tell he really cares about the people, and that authenticity gives you the same "oh my god, he might actually get something done" feeling as Trump (where the meaning of "oh my god" varies depending on demographic). Clinton/Kaine are at the other end of the scale, and I think the RNC being more democratic than the DNC is what allowed Trump to eke out a win.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by nodesocket »

I respect Bernie, and really admire his class and honestly. However I don't agreee with his economic and political ideology. A "hand-out" government would be near disasterious for America. It goes against one of the core principles of being American, the ability and optimism to work your way up without limits. To start a company that can be successful at home and abroad without excess regulation, red-tape, and buracracy.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by thehardsphere »

faet wrote: post #5
maxxxxx wrote: post #2

I am telling my Democratic friends that instead of whining about the popular vote or talking about resisting Trump in general the Democrats should develop a spine and actually stand for something. If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election.

> If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election. So increasing minimum wage, make it easier to unionize, universal health care, protecting/expanding social security, and a bunch of other policies that would help the working class don't count? The thing is policy doesn't matter. People want 140 characters that make them feel good even if it's bad policy.

Was that the message their candidate put forward? The message many people heard from Hillary Clinton was: "I'm a woman and Donald Trump is bad."

Policy definitely won't matter if the messenger chooses not to make it part of the message.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by jressey »

faet wrote: post #5
maxxxxx wrote: post #2

I am telling my Democratic friends that instead of whining about the popular vote or talking about resisting Trump in general the Democrats should develop a spine and actually stand for something. If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election.

> If they had had a compelling message for the working class they could easily have won this election. So increasing minimum wage, make it easier to unionize, universal health care, protecting/expanding social security, and a bunch of other policies that would help the working class don't count? The thing is policy doesn't matter. People want 140 characters that make them feel good even if it's bad policy.

I don't think people had faith that these issues were actually what the Dems wanted to go after if they'd have won. Many of these only became talking points for the establishment once it became apparent that Bernie was a threat to them.

It's definitely fair to say a large share of Trump voters went with their emotions as you said, but I think a lot of folks didn't believe Hillary would enact a progressive policy. If you look back to when she established herself as a politician in the 90s-00s (I'm being generous here), most of those issues were not what she was championing.

To someone that doesn't vote with their lizard brain, it's clear that establishment Dems have the wealthy as their #1, just like the GOP. That's the problem.

Re: Everyone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party

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Post by jressey »

nodesocket wrote: post #13

I respect Bernie, and really admire his class and honestly. However I don't agreee with his economic and political ideology. A "hand-out" government would be near disasterious for America. It goes against one of the core principles of being American, the ability and optimism to work your way up without limits. To start a company that can be successful at home and abroad without excess regulation, red-tape, and buracr…

I don't think you have a full understanding of Bernie's positions.

"It goes against one of the core principles of being American, the ability to work your way up, without limits." is horseshit. Tell that to a child born in the inner-city with a single parent working 2 jobs and a garbage primary education.

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