The story would be a lot more powerful if it were vastly more concise and meandered far less. This reads like an angsty teens livejournal entry, which doesn't do the serious nature of the matter justice.
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#12Wow this blog post makes djb sound like such a scumbag. The idea that he would ask people to consider the allegations "false" is absurd (there's a difference between presuming innocence vs presuming the the allegations are false). I would love to hear his side of the story.
> I would love to hear his side of the story.
Some of his side of the story has been told in the leaked emails:
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#13I've also run into exactly this tactic:
"When I informed the project reviewer and the other fellows that, in fact, I had resigned due to sexual harassment, Dan sent a response which opened with a long, irrelevant, and inaccurate story about how my work was low-quality, my research contribution was minor, etc. "
Myself and a business partner had a web startup that we ran from 2002 to 2008. I was the CTO, he was the CEO -- at first the titles didn't mean anything because the whole company was just the two of us. Later we had some money and we hired some people. He was nominally in charge of sales and raising funds from investors, but as the years went by, he struggled with the stress. He started smoking way too much marijuana. I eventually lost all faith that I could build anything with him. For years he had tried to win me over with excessive praise (especially when we had no money) but when I told him I was leaving, suddenly he complained that my work had always sucked, I wrote terrible code, I aggravated everyone we'd worked with, I scared away all potential investors, etc. It is curious the way that particular mentality works. It's very much similar to what is described in the article. Once they realize they can not win you back, they feel an urgent need to delegitimate anything you might ever say.
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#14This sort of stuff, character assassination based on hearsay, used to be considered tabloid journalism, something no one with half a brain would read. Now it get's up voted every time on HN.
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#15Is this the same Dan as the author of qmail? I feel I cannot use that software anymore in good conscience
Shouldn't we wait to hear Dan's side of the story before we get out the pitchforks just yet?
I have seen instances of Jake behaving inappropriately in front of DJB, and I'm pretty sure he saw.
I've heard Jake bragging about his sexual exploits on numerous occasions, including the sawzall story.
Not posting under my normal account for obvious reasons.
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#16> Jacob learned of a plan to help him correct his behaviour at the next Tor meeting If I "learned of a plan to help [me] correct [my] behavior", I'd react extremely poorly as well. What utter bollocks; what savage lies! > My right eye, into which Jacob placed an irritant eye drop, has never really felt the same since then How can a story written by someone who is so obviously mentally ill and in need of help , not pu…
So... Someone was literally assaulted with drugs and your response is to call them mentally ill?
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#17After what happened to Assange, I can't help feeling skeptical of character-assassination pieces on people associated with Wikileaks.
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#18Is this the same Dan as the author of qmail? I feel I cannot use that software anymore in good conscience
Shouldn't we wait to hear Dan's side of the story before we get out the pitchforks just yet?
The implication of the article is that Dan has had more than 12 weeks to make his side of the story known, and has chosen not to.
What's Dan's side of the story going to be that would change your mind about raising pitchforks? That actually Jacob wasn't fired for sexual harassment from a previous job?
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#19This sort of stuff, character assassination based on hearsay, used to be considered tabloid journalism, something no one with half a brain would read. Now it get's up voted every time on HN.
Just wait man. Many other people are about to come forward if even a little bit of this is true.
People in this thread have ALREADY started to back up the claims.
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#20> Jacob learned of a plan to help him correct his behaviour at the next Tor meeting If I "learned of a plan to help [me] correct [my] behavior", I'd react extremely poorly as well. What utter bollocks; what savage lies! > My right eye, into which Jacob placed an irritant eye drop, has never really felt the same since then How can a story written by someone who is so obviously mentally ill and in need of help , not pu…
So... Someone was literally assaulted with drugs and your response is to call them mentally ill?
You can't possibly believe that ridiculous story? That he tried to poison someone with eye drops, and that the only evidence for this is that while nothing happened at the time, the eye in question has felt irritated ever since?! I don't even know how to respond! I'm not an expert on mental health so I don't want to go claiming this is due to one mental health issue or another, but I was brought up to believe that such stories are evidence of extreme paranoia.
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> I was having panic attacks
This person admits to being mentally ill. I will be the very last to say that one form of mental illness (anxiety) has anything to do with another (whatever caused this paranoia) but I did want to add this to debunk the notion that there's no evidence that this person is mentally ill.