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Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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I have to disagree. Apart from maybe post WW2 in America, the average person has always had to work much harder than the elite. There were sweatshops, Kings, slavery, and colonialism. If we look at American now, even with all of its issues, it is much better for the middle and lower class than it was 100 years ago.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion when the middle class is almost gone in this country.

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Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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>There's plenty of land in the United States, and plenty of cities that have hardly been met with the "hoarding" you mention. It doesn't matter how cheap the land/housing is if you can't get a job while living on it. I'd love to be in a world where geography doesn't matter and everyone can work remotely. For now, only a small and elite subset of software engineers can pull US cost of living (even rural cost of living…

"It doesn't matter how cheap the land/housing is if you can't get a job while living on it." B.S. Unemployment in the US is relatively low even on a long term basis. The average home prices in the US is $188K. Most people can afford that. There is more opportunity for mortgages and financial services than at any time in history. There is more opportunity for mobility than at any time in history. You have it easier th…

> Unemployment in the US is relatively low even on a long term basis.

Dear God save me from whatever unemployment you deem to be high. Over a third of the people in this country don't work and another third work part time.

Maybe you actually believe those numbers coming out of the gov on unemployment and don't pay attention to the people who have rolled off the unemployment benefits. I know people that have been looking for work for the better part of 5 years without luck.

Also, have to call bullshit on the "You have it easier than any generation in history" remark. This generation is the first generation since the inception of this country to not have it better than the previous one. Every person born today is born with upwards of 70k debt thanks to the drunken sailors in Congress. The bill will come due. It always does.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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post #153

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There's a generation a decade older than you that grew up putting enormous amounts of time into video games. We're all (mostly) functional individuals now, so I'm not to worried about kids today doing the same.

Could the more modern games my generation grew up with be more immersive, having a larger effect on mental development?

I think you're underestimating just how immersive those older games could be. Immersiveness is not a product of graphical fidelity, look at books and text adventure games, I would consider them just as immersive as any games today. We were saying "just one more turn" just as much with civ1 as with civ6.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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post #199

It's not just video games either. Add Netflix and social media, and soon, VR, to the equation, and it's pretty clear that the game of life offers insufficient rewards relative to one's efforts. I don't believe we ended up here due to some grand conspiracy, but I do think that the top 1% have gotten so skilled at trapping wealth and therefore opportunity that it's really screwing over everyone else. Even as a relative…

The trick is to stop caring about the 1%. There isn't limited wealth or happiness. I promise if you plan it out it's completely possible to retire with dignity and people are doing it all the time.

I promise if you plan it out it's completely possible to retire with dignity and people are doing it all the time

Unless, of course your planning counts on government sponsored health insurance or even Social Security since in today's political climate, there's no guarantee that either will be around for your retirement.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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Every job I've worked in my adult life has involved being judged by standards the boomers doing the judging could never live up to, and then covering for their incompetence with technical skills(because I'm young, so I can just do that stuff). It would be such a sad joke if it weren't for the fact that they squat in every opportunity young people have for their futures (real estate, higher positions, etc) while the y…

It's even better when they don't like the fact that you are doing the job in a way they can't understand. I swear some people think they are paying you to suffer, and if you do something in a way that doesn't require enough suffering they feel ripped off.

Lets be clear here. What-ever the persons opinion of you should have absolutely no bearing on your professional work, and your relationship between then. I have rude clients, I have smart ass clients. Something is very clear I make it to them when I do the job, I'm doing it for money. If they think $1000 per hour is too much then they're not a client I really want to be working with.

I have found you need to make it very clear to clients why you're there, and what the ROI will be for them. After you've done the work, you move onto the next client.

They may be a wealthy business man, they may be a boomer. They may be a startup. You're there to get a job done.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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post #19

I really like this read, something just smells off about blaming young people for "wasting years" on video games. We've got a horribly stacked real life "game" where the boomers and elites have horded everything and fucked future generations, blaming an individual for dropping out and not wanting to really participate in that trainwreck is being dishonest at best.

The "horribly stacked life" card is, in my experience, most often played by people trying to get by in the overly competitive environments of large cities. I know a lot of people don't like to hear it, but I'll let you in on a little secret: if you don't feel like you're getting anywhere trying to work and live in a major city, do yourself a favor and move to a less-populated area. Many cities have become extremely c…

This is excellent advice. I do agree with majority that games is rigged agains majority, but your advice is spot on.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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post #147

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> where the boomers and elites have horded everything and fucked future generations Sorry, but this is just bullshit. But if it makes you feel better, it's normal to think this, every generation blames the previous. (And the older generation thinks the latest is lazy)

I feel like the Boomers were pretty happy with the Greatest. You know, defeating genocide, sowing the seeds for a decades long wave of economic expansion, technological advancement, and peace (albeit by not managing to swap nukes with the Soviets).

> I feel like the Boomers were pretty happy with the Greatest.

Yeah, there wasn't like a big youth counterculture in the 1960s-1970s rebelling against the previous generation that was then dominant in society and government over major international policy (Hello, Southeast Asia), domestic policy, notions of public and private morality, and, basically, every other aspect of life.

You might have a better case with Gen X not particularly blaming the Boomers (and focussing more on the trailing end of the influence of the "Greatest" Generation), and even better with Millenials not even paying attention to Gen X enough to blame them for anything (Boomers, sure, but Gen X? Not so much.)

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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post #7

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It is when it spreads from the AV club to the mainstream and the numbers start having tangible impact on jobs numbers / workforce participation rates.

Good! Those metrics are important to some, but not to others.

I'd argue those metrics are important to all of us because they are they suggest that all is not well in our society. It's hard to imagine how declining male participation rates are anything but a bad thing for society. These metrics indicate our society is in for some rough times ahead. When you get millions of people opting out of the economy (to paint it broadly) that is a very bad thing, and that is what these metrics indicate is already happening. Worse, this is just the beginning.

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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post #64

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I don't mean to derail because I think you have a valid point, but I believe alcoholism is still a way worse problem today. If I'm remembering correctly, it's something like the same number of people die due to alcohol every year in the US as shoot themselves death (~30k)... and that's just fatalities; if we're talking family problems it's way higher.

Historically, we (Americans at least, I hear Russians are quite a bit higher) aren't drinking much these days: ~2.25 gallons of pure alcohol a year. Compared to 6.6 gallons in 1770 [1] and 7.1 gallons in 1870 [2] (thus igniting the calls for Prohibition). [1] http://www.motherearthnews.com/real-food/moonshine-whiskey-i... [2] http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31741615

There is a big non-drinking movement amongst young people in Russia right now. Putin, love or hate him, has passed on an attitude to his young followers. I'm reminded of an interview with a British soccer hooligan about confrontations with Russian hooligans: "It's not fair when the other team is sober!"

Re: Young men dropping out of the job market to spend time in an alternate reality

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post #7

My friends were getting addicted to "Evercrack" 15 years ago, playing for days on end, affecting school, work, and social life. Other games had similar effects (usually mmorpgs). Nothing new here

It is when it spreads from the AV club to the mainstream and the numbers start having tangible impact on jobs numbers / workforce participation rates.

Agreed. Plus, many of those EverCrack addicts just moved on to newer and even more addictive games.
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