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Post by peatmoss »

losteverything wrote: post #515

I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

This is an important point. I hate tipping culture, but the solution isn't to not tip when you're a part of a society where certain classes of labor are reliant on tips. My solution is to tip 20% rounding up to the nearest whole dollar. I don't care how horrible service was. On Lyft, I've given lower ratings (safety) and still tipped 20%.

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Post by agentgt »

losteverything wrote: post #515

I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

I'm one of the few that likes tipping for this exact reason. Cash if possible. I guess I like how direct it is (no middle organization to dilute and diffuse) and it seems to make them happy. I feel better, they feel better, all is good. Of course this doesn't work every where (e.g. in France tipping is generally looked down upon).

Now being highly persuaded for a tip I don't agree with but this is actually more of a general problem.

Just look at the sleaziness of online advertising and email marketing! Hey thanks for you order but can you review this and buy some stuff from us! Buy Buy Buy!

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

losteverything wrote: post #515

I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

>One of lifes most enjoyable things is to be generous.

Then shouldn't Uber be generous and pay their employees more?

>Ask your next uber driver why they are working.

They're working for money, come on man.

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Post by tghw »

redm wrote: post #4

No Tipping is one of the main reasons I liked Uber; no cash, no pressure, you just get out of the car and walk away with everyone happy. I would rather pay more for each fare and have Uber aggressively prohibit tipping. I suspect many people feel the same way and if Uber doesn't get it under control, it could be the biggest challenge they face.

I exclusively use Lyft because they allow tipping. If someone gives me a good, comfortable ride, I want to be able to easily throw a couple of bucks their way. If I'm taking a car service, then I can afford a few extra dollars. Plus, with it being built into the app, there's no need for them to hustle you about it.

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Post by briandear »

If you don't make enough driving Uber. Don't drive for Uber. The market corrects low pay; basic supply and demand.

Would you pay $10 for an oranage if you're buying it right from the farm? Of course not. The supply is such and the demand is such that $10 isn't the price.

Would you pay $10 for an orange in you're at Everest Base Camp? Probably because there aren't many orange trees up there.

The whole "living wage" argument doesn't hold much water with me. If Uber drivers were scarce, then Uber would raise prices (such as surge pricing.) If you aren't making enough driving Uber, then take your car, start your own car service, start marketing and compete.

Not that it's relevant but I don't particularly like Uber however I do like the free market. In this case it isn't like Uber is a monopoly.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Post by redm »

losteverything wrote: post #515

I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

Tipping is a lovely thing when YOU decide to do it. The point is no one wants to be forced to tip. When the tip is required or demanded it's no longer "generous," it's something else when you feel obligated.

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Post by tghw »

babyrainbow wrote: post #518
redm wrote: post #4

No Tipping is one of the main reasons I liked Uber; no cash, no pressure, you just get out of the car and walk away with everyone happy. I would rather pay more for each fare and have Uber aggressively prohibit tipping. I suspect many people feel the same way and if Uber doesn't get it under control, it could be the biggest challenge they face.

>No Tipping is one of the main reasons I liked Uber; no cash, no pressure It is a tragedy of recent generations that people cannot even handle a simple decision of to "tip or not to tip" by themselves without going to some amount of "pressure". We are indeed, a generation of sheep, who cannot be expected to make a simple decision all by themselves.

I'm more dismayed that the thought of giving another human being a little extra money to thank them for good service is so painful to people that they try to avoid it at all costs.

Uber's model feels like it's trying to make the human driver into a robot. Until we have actual robot drivers, I prefer a system that has the tipping built in, e.g. Lyft.

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Post by bitsoda »

martinko wrote: post #356
brandonbloom wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your cancel reflects poorly on you in Uber's rating system This is simply not true. I just checked: My rating is 4.73. I've probably taken a few hundred rides with Uber. I assume they adjust ratings for bad experiences, especially if you're a regular rider. By the way: It's not that hard to get consistent 5 stars as a passenger. Be respectful of the driver and follow these steps: 1) Say something like "Hi, are you…

Wow that eerily reminds me of the s02e01 of black mirror. No way am I gonna optimize my behavior to get some higher 'rating'.

*S03E01

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Post by [deleted] »

losteverything wrote: post #515

I guess most of HN never were so broke that they can't put themselves in the place of a worker who can receive a tip. Tips go directly to a person. Often a low paying or second job. It is about generosity and helping a fellow person. It's not about economic theory or even JUST how they served you. The tip -$1 or $2 or $5 gets the person a gallon of gas. A meal. A cup of coffee. It helps pay off a bill. It is savings…

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Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Post by DanBC »

tghw wrote: post #527
babyrainbow wrote: post #518

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No Tipping is one of the main reasons I liked Uber; no cash, no pressure It is a tragedy of recent generations that people cannot even handle a simple decision of to "tip or not to tip" by themselves without going to some amount of "pressure". We are indeed, a generation of sheep, who cannot be expected to make a simple decision all by themselves.

I'm more dismayed that the thought of giving another human being a little extra money to thank them for good service is so painful to people that they try to avoid it at all costs. Uber's model feels like it's trying to make the human driver into a robot. Until we have actual robot drivers, I prefer a system that has the tipping built in, e.g. Lyft.

Tipping has been abused by employers to allow them to pay less than a living wage.

People who refuse to tip are trying to prevent this abuse. Asking for employees to get a fair wage for the work they do should not be dismaying.

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