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Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Not necessarily. Anyone who runs small farms or boutique cattle studs would disagree. All animals will die at some stage. If their life up to that point was in a caring and respectful environment, and they are humanely killed, what's the problem? We regularly sent our cattle to the abattoir, and it didn't stop them being happy cows that got hugs and shoulder scratches...

What exactly does "humanely killed" mean? Is there a method of being killed against your will that you'd be up for?

It means a swift, unexpected death. No discomfort involved.

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How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them. This "high quality" protein myth is garbage.

This is what drives me crazy about vegans. Sorry, it is easier to eat meat. The protein IS higher quality, easier to digest and more balanced. Eating nutritional yeast and balancing your legumes, tofu and other protein sources to get a proper assortment of B vitamins and amino acids IS harder. Not saying it's not healthier, not saying is not more ethical, not saying anything except it IS easier. Stop lying.

For me, the ethical considerations alone make it harder. It is hard work for me to do things I consider unethical on a regular basis and I'd much rather not have the cognitive load of blocking out information on a daily basis.

My personal experience was that going vegan was much easier than not, as soon as I became aware of what was going on (at around age 18). Once I realized that animals have relationships and emotional lives, it became clear to me that they weren't "food" for me.. in the same sense humans aren't food for me.

Additionally, in terms agriculture, it seems like it requires more work and inputs to create meat, so that is harder as well.

I've been vegan for over a decade and it honestly feels like it's only made my life better.

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I agree, screw common meat. Let's get interesting and take the bottom out of things like poaching by doing rare game meats, or creating entirely new engineered meats that are tastier and healthier than nature. I do worry though on the impact this will ultimately have on the farming industry and jobs. It is a slightly subtler form of job automation.

Why worry? The meat industry is completely disgusting, and raising animals for slaughter is morally bad. The sooner we can disrupt this industry and stop killing animals, the better. I have zero remorse for the farmers that will be impacted. I just had a fantastic dinner with a perfectly fried beef tenderloin steak. It was delicious. If this could be made cheaper, faster, better, and without having to kill a cow ever…

Wait.. what?

"The meat industry is completely disgusting, and raising animals for slaughter is morally bad."

but yet >

"I just had a fantastic dinner with a perfectly fried beef tenderloin steak."

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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> Lentils, beans, nuts, seeds, seitan, tofu, all great sources of protein. This may be true, but all of those either: interfere with mineral absorption, decrease serum testosterone, or are not comparable in taste to animal protein. You may have had an increase in quality of life, but this is not universally applicable to the entire population. Keto is the first thing that comes to mind that increases quality of life,…

Mineral absorption you say? https://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

Phytic acid is in those foods, not milk.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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"lovingly raised" to be slaughtered is an oxymoron.

Not necessarily. Anyone who runs small farms or boutique cattle studs would disagree. All animals will die at some stage. If their life up to that point was in a caring and respectful environment, and they are humanely killed, what's the problem? We regularly sent our cattle to the abattoir, and it didn't stop them being happy cows that got hugs and shoulder scratches...

Animals killed for meat die as adolescents. This is dispicable.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them. This "high quality" protein myth is garbage.

This is what drives me crazy about vegans. Sorry, it is easier to eat meat. The protein IS higher quality, easier to digest and more balanced. Eating nutritional yeast and balancing your legumes, tofu and other protein sources to get a proper assortment of B vitamins and amino acids IS harder. Not saying it's not healthier, not saying is not more ethical, not saying anything except it IS easier. Stop lying.

What drives you crazy about vegans? That your flawed, biased assumptions are challenged? Protein is in all whole foods. You don't need to eat soy, or legumes, to get your fill as a vegan. You just eat food. Like a regular person. Except you don't hurt animals in the process. Simple!

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How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them. This "high quality" protein myth is garbage.

> How is it easiest? Raw meat, eggs, and such are very easy to cook and make delicious. Tofu is already highly processed, and beans require a length cooking time. By any definition of the word, animal protein is less time consuming to make more delicious than plant protein.

You think "raw" meat is unprocessed? That's cute.

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This argument only works if you assume that people who go vegan enjoys food less than they did before they went vegan. The reality is that most vegans report enjoying food much more. The reason for that is that they are forced to experiment with different flavors and get more creative, which expands their culinary horizons.

Stockholm Syndrome is also a viable explanation.

For eating meat, possibly.

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2 cents per gram translates to $9.07 per pound of Memphis Meats' cost. Assuming they skip the distributors (unlikely) and sell straight to retailers, it will be easily double that at the retail level, $18.14 per pound. They are more likely to end up around the $25-30 per pound price point at retail once all is said and done. That's starting to wander into dry-aged beef ribeye territory at a higher-end version of comm…

You're absolutely right on the pricing and go to market strategy. The regulatory frameworks are still up in the air. I know from having attending the 1st and 2nd Cultured Meat Symposiums in Maastricht that both the USDA and the FDA are looking at clean meat. While both agencies seem pretty open and friendly towards it, they unfortunately both think they should be the one to regulate it :-)

The FDA thinks it should be the one to regulate everything. There is a culture of sociopathy and fascism at the FDA.
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