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Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #215

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Yeah, this is the problem when an establishment bucks the local trend and becomes a "no-tip restaurant" exception. Go to a country where hospitality staff are paid a 'fair' amount and customers aren't expected to tip and this problem goes away.

Indeed this problem goes away. A new one pops up though: mediocre service, such as having to ask many times for refilling the tap water bottle or get condiments, and struggling to get the waiter's attention in general.

I have not noticed any overall service problems in Korea, Japan, or China.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #207

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> There is universal agreement about tipping at restaurants. Tips of 15% (or 20%?) are definitely customary, expected, priced-in. People who don't leave tips after experiencing decent service are definitely not paying their fair share. Is this a joke? Not only is it not universal, it's not even customary. The agreement you have with the restaurant is this: you sit down, are served, eat food, and pay. Baseline service…

Where are you located? 15% for average service is definitely customary at sit-down restaurants in the United States.

When I was in LA recently I was tipping 15% for good service. Hope the waiters can make rent! /s

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #79

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Why even keep it as a service charge.. just put it into the price

Because then you look more expensive compared to the pre-tip prices of other restaurants. As long as businesses can get away with posting prices that are less than what people actually have to pay, this silliness will continue.

Yep. For whatever reason, charging $50 for a restaurant outing and expecting a $10 tip gets perceived as being a better deal than a restaurant that charges $60 and does not allow tipping.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Where are you located? 15% for average service is definitely customary at sit-down restaurants in the United States.

Do you know anyone who actually works in food service? I do, and they'd be pissed if everyone skimped with a 15% tip. It's 20% for adequate service, 25% for excellent.

This is hilarious, and sad. What a broken system.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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It's not just Uber -- I've seen tip jars out in Australian food stalls with signs exhorting patrons to tip. I like not having to tip, too, but it's like the Prisoner's Dilemma: once somebody starts successfully collecting tips, everybody else feels pressure to ask for them and then the whole economy adjusts to accommodate them. That's how I think we got where we are.

There are tip jars, but there's no expectation to tip (at least in Sydney), it's just a thing if you're feeling generous that day.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #4

No Tipping is one of the main reasons I liked Uber; no cash, no pressure, you just get out of the car and walk away with everyone happy. I would rather pay more for each fare and have Uber aggressively prohibit tipping. I suspect many people feel the same way and if Uber doesn't get it under control, it could be the biggest challenge they face.

Same here. That's the main advantage of the service--that you don't have to horse around with cash and tipping or fumbling around with a credit card in the back seat while the driver waits. If they ever added the expectation of tipping, I would drop them like a bad habit. The fares are super reasonable and I would be more than happy to pay even a little more if it meant not getting guilt tripped over a tip. Tipping i…

> I would be more than happy to pay even a little more if it meant not getting guilt tripped over a tip

That does not sound very logical.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #95

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> I'm consistently amazed at how many people I end up giving sub-five star ratings That in itself is possibly a contributing problem. Incentives go all wonky when four-star ratings essentially don't exist. Five-star ratings should be reserved for exceptional service, and three-star ratings should be for average service, not "I'm unhappy with this but not enough that I won't feel bad giving a negative review, so I'll…

It is because of the rating system ambiguity that five stars is the norm. It signals that there is unequivocally nothing wrong. Anything less than five stars could be interpreted in many ways and is very subjective: did the user have a problem or do they just rate differently? It is why five star rating is also the standard for acceptability on Amazon and Ebay. Personally I don't care if there is no incentive to go a…

> Personally I don't care if there is no incentive to go above and beyond the base level of service. All I want and expect is the base level of service.

This is the exact problem. A base level of service should be three stars, but people have been conditioned to read five stars as base level, and anything below as problematic. The whole point of a rating system is to get an idea of what to expect. When different people rate on different metrics, the data doesn't actually represent what you think it does (whichever metric you subscribe to).

The only reason anything less than five stars is interpreted weirdly is because people started rating weirdly and then start taking that into consideration when looking at the ratings, and it gets all confused. Many of these ratings systems clearly state what each rating level means, and people still don't rate by those criteria. People have been culturally indoctrinated to rate things incorrectly (that is, they specifically don't follow the instructions in lieu of following what has become the norm). This compresses one end of the spectrum which leads to loss of fidelity on that end. It's clearly worse than a system where people actually followed the criteria and we could actually identify a five star average as exceptional, a four star as good, and a three star as sufficient.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Where are you located? 15% for average service is definitely customary at sit-down restaurants in the United States.

Do you know anyone who actually works in food service? I do, and they'd be pissed if everyone skimped with a 15% tip. It's 20% for adequate service, 25% for excellent.

More proof that tipping is wrong, local variances with no way to find the local standard!

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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post #13
post #3

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But tipping sucks. That was one of the reasons Uber was better than Lyft in the first place. Then some assholes sued and now Uber drivers are allowed to ask for tips. Nice job breaking it, hero.

Why does tipping suck?

I prefer the cost of service to be up-front and clearly labeled, tipping obscures the cost
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