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Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But tipping sucks. That was one of the reasons Uber was better than Lyft in the first place. Then some assholes sued and now Uber drivers are allowed to ask for tips. Nice job breaking it, hero.

Why does tipping suck?

While this the restaurant case, not the taxi case, it does give some useful overview aspects:

http://jayporter.com/dispatches/observations-from-a-tipless-...

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Born and raised in northern Europe I find the US tipping culture weird. To me, tips are a bonus for service that goes above and beyond the expected.

It is indeed weird if not uncomfortable.

There's been an interesting move by Danny Meyer and Tom Colochio two well-known and very successful restaurateurs in New York City to abolish tips in favor of a flat service charge to be shared amongst everyone in the restaurant.

Danny Meyer talks about the history of tipping in the US in which he claims is rooted in post-Civil War racism and the old Pullman cars.

http://www.businessinsider.com/tipping-is-a-hoax-born-out-of...

Here is a link to the podcast:

http://www.sporkful.com/the-restaurateur-who-got-rid-of-tipp...

Interestingly enough the practice seems to have originated in Europe however before dying out:

https://www.fordfoundation.org/ideas/equals-change-blog/post...

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I don't agree with the argument that passengers should tip because Uber isn't paying their drivers enough. That sounds like welfare for Uber. If the pay sucks, Uber should have trouble recruiting drivers.

I really hate tipping culture in America. In Germany, servers are surprised if you give them anything more thana euro. I have friends who visit from non tipping cultures who ask "Why isn't it just included in the price!"

I agree with the author. Tipping is out of hand. Charge more for food, clearly state it on the menu/check, remove the tip black on the receipt and pay people a decent wage!

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Serious question for those who are pro-tipping...where do you draw the line? How do you choose which products/services are tip-worthy and which aren't?

Service industries. It's pretty simple. Any job where the worker is unlikely to be appreciated by their boss for going above and beyond but it makes a big difference to me.

The cook in the kitchen gets no tip. Unlikely to be appreciated, gets no share of the tip, and could make my dish a delight, or spit in it.

The guy/girl says "i'm gonna be your waiter tonight", and that's the last time you see them, others bring the dishes and clean the table. And by law, they cannot share the tip.

When I pay for service, I'd like the employer and the market to figure out for me what's a fair wage. Don't put it on me, 1) I'll most likely be wrong and unfair, and 2) I just cannot tip the cook.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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Well if someone chooses to share their car, you should just be happy that things worked out such that it was convenient for them to pick you up. And certainly you can share an extra couple bucks with them. We're all just sharing , right?

It does not seem the drivers are part of the sharing economy, many of them have made it a full time job. As a result many of the issues with taxi services seem to be slowly cropping up.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I don't agree with the argument that passengers should tip because Uber isn't paying their drivers enough. That sounds like welfare for Uber. If the pay sucks, Uber should have trouble recruiting drivers.

The same is true for tipping in restaurants and bars; it may seem like you're helping the server/bartender, but actually you're subsidizing the business.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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I drive Uber from time to time. I've only gotten a tip once over ~50 rides. A lot of the time the traffic conditions mean that after costs (I assume $0.40 per mile costs for mileage, gas, maintenance, etc.) my hourly is closer to $8 an hour (because after I drive for a while sometimes I need to drive a long way back as well on my own dime), which is below minimum wage. That's not including having to pick up plastic b…

I don't know. Maybe Uber should just pay you more and we can not encourage the antiquated custom of tipping.

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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> Then I’ve discovered first-hand that more and more Uber riders are calling ahead to ask for your destination to see if it’s “worth it” to pick you up.

When I use Uber the first question it asks is the destination. I assume this is seen by the driver, no? Why would they have to call?

Re: Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes

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No Tipping is one of the main reasons I liked Uber; no cash, no pressure, you just get out of the car and walk away with everyone happy. I would rather pay more for each fare and have Uber aggressively prohibit tipping. I suspect many people feel the same way and if Uber doesn't get it under control, it could be the biggest challenge they face.

I do feel the same way! But Uber's relentless fare-cutting has made it such a bad deal for drivers that I feel the awkwardness has come right back, since I'd pretty much have to tip in order to not feel like I'm taking advantage of the driver.

You're not taking advantage of the driver. Uber is. It's the same thing with restaurants - you're letting yourself be guilted into subsidizing a corporation's business strategy, with the justification that it's either you that gets screwed, or their employees.
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