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Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by redbeard0x0a » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 12:47 AM UTC

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

Yeah, the calculator seems to cause some weird things.

Living in Seattle, WA, the salary range I used topped out at ~$120k. However, 30 miles south in Tacoma it tops out at at ~$80k. Moving to Dallas would move the top of the range to ~$105k (Hot Market Adjustment?! but not Seattle?!).

Values I used (I rounded the salary up too): * Lead * Above Average Experience * United States * Dallas, Seattle and Tacoma.

I'm looking to move to the Dallas area (from Tacoma) and my rent will likely end up being less in Dallas (at least 20%).

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by nico » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 1:04 AM UTC

YorickPeterse wrote: post #250

nico wrote: post #247

Up until this week I was in love with Gitlab. We've been using it at work for over a year as our main repo, code review tool and CI (tried self-hosted first, then moved to gitlab.com). However, the service (gitlab.com) is constantly having issues, most of them not reported on their status page or on their twitter status account. For the last week it's been practically unusable, to the point where our whole dev team c…

> However, the service (gitlab.com) is constantly having issues, most of > them not reported on their status page or on their twitter status account. > For the last week it's been practically unusable, to the point where our > whole dev team combined has wasted almost a hundred hours just re-trying > builds and deployment jobs. Do you happen to have some examples of these problems? I recall there are some known probl…

Those are exactly the problems we were running into. Our pipelines ran 3 consecutive stages (lint, test, deploy). Because every push and every merge triggers a pipeline, and because every stage runs a job, almost anytime we did anything on gitlab.com something (or everything) would get stuck. This slowed our dev/deploy process to a crawl, to the point where we spent all of Monday pretty much just checking, waiting for, or retrying jobs. Sometimes we would merge a branch and an hour later none of the jobs in the pipeline had even started (had status created or pending). Yesterday (Tuesday) things were still pretty much the same. Today we just moved on.

Jobs getting stuck might not seem like a big deal, but when every dev on the team needs to manually check every 5 minutes to make sure things are running and retrying everything, while clients are waiting on a hotfix, bugfix or a new feature that we promised we would ship by a certain deadline, then the issue becomes critical.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by nico » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 1:09 AM UTC

sytse wrote: post #249

nico wrote: post #247

Up until this week I was in love with Gitlab. We've been using it at work for over a year as our main repo, code review tool and CI (tried self-hosted first, then moved to gitlab.com). However, the service (gitlab.com) is constantly having issues, most of them not reported on their status page or on their twitter status account. For the last week it's been practically unusable, to the point where our whole dev team c…

Hi Nico, I'm sorry that you suffered our unreliability this week. We do try to update @gitlabstatus for everything that we see happening, no matter how small. We're determined to make GitLab.com a reliable platform, but we realize we still have a long way to go.

Thank you. I'm still a big fan of Gitlab and the vision you guys have. You've built an amazing organization and you'll definitely keep doing great things. Look forward to using your platform again in the future :)

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by problems » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 1:26 AM UTC

nico wrote: post #247

Up until this week I was in love with Gitlab. We've been using it at work for over a year as our main repo, code review tool and CI (tried self-hosted first, then moved to gitlab.com). However, the service (gitlab.com) is constantly having issues, most of them not reported on their status page or on their twitter status account. For the last week it's been practically unusable, to the point where our whole dev team c…

Out of curiosity, why did you move from self-hosted to gitlab.com? I run self-hosted and I've been quite happy with it.

Cloud anything just seems like begging for this kind of problem.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by Perihelion » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 1:48 AM UTC

lol768 wrote: post #210

securingsincity wrote: post #19

I hope this spurns more OSS communities to move to gitter. As much as I enjoy slack, limits on features like search and invites creates a friction that I think a service like gitter can help solve.

Personally the fragmentation of these random chat services does little to make me want to get involved in project chat discussions. I wish project maintainers would stick to a network like freenode and just occupy a channel there dedicated to the project. I'm already set-up to take part in discussions there, I don't need to use a web browser etc.

Totally agree with this. Having to join 10+ Slack-like groups to collaborate on open source projects is unrealistic for me. As a result, I don't frequent some projects' chats and stick to bug trackers/mailing lists -- as a result of that I miss out on a lot of the camaraderie that comes with contributing to open source. I've missed out on a few conversations where decisions were made too. Being in multiple groups on these services is a huge pain point for me, whereas being on multiple IRC servers in multiple channels is far less invasive to my time and computer resources ;D. I'm not necessarily advocating that everyone use IRC for everything, but it seems like a lot of us had standardized on IRC for OSS before most of these services came along.
Also I'm salty that most of these Slack-like services have no ignore feature/minimal moderation tools which are both things I've leaned on heavily when working with communities. That's probably a rant for another day, but it's related to why I really dislike using some of these things.

This might just be my perception, but it seems like most people I come across in this field were on IRC at some point.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by nico » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 1:50 AM UTC

problems wrote: post #254

nico wrote: post #247

Up until this week I was in love with Gitlab. We've been using it at work for over a year as our main repo, code review tool and CI (tried self-hosted first, then moved to gitlab.com). However, the service (gitlab.com) is constantly having issues, most of them not reported on their status page or on their twitter status account. For the last week it's been practically unusable, to the point where our whole dev team c…

Out of curiosity, why did you move from self-hosted to gitlab.com? I run self-hosted and I've been quite happy with it. Cloud anything just seems like begging for this kind of problem.

Great question :) We are a small team so we prefer focusing on writing code than managing our infrastructure.

Keeping even just one server secure and up to date is no small task. Additionally, in this particular case, given Gitlab pushes changes pretty often, we wanted to have access to the latest stuff without having to update the self-hosted instance every time (with the added risk of screwing up in the process). I guess there's a trade off for everything.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by kureikain » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 2:08 AM UTC

I really like Gitlab and this acquiring.

When I firsted started as a developer, I don't know how people do thing in real production. I don't know how real company build real software.

Nowsaday, with all open source thing from real company that acquire/shutdown I can finally learn a lots from them.

Recently Stajoy open source everything, now Gitter is next. I'm sure I will learn a lot by consume the real code that run on production.

Thank you Gitlab/Gitter.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by was_boring » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 2:08 AM UTC

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

I'm happy this comes up in every thread about gitlab, and that they appear to read them. I'm hoping one day someone on the team says "you know, they're right, we should do something about this."

Just to throw my example in, they would want to pay me at least 20% less than what I currently make -- and I'm already a 100% remote employee working for a financially stable startup. What they offer is simply not even close to market value -- yet they claim it is. In this case it's the D.C. area.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by mikekchar » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 2:13 AM UTC

taude wrote: post #203

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

In reading all these responses about the low GitLab pay calculator, does anyone have any good tips on how to underpay and still hire talent. It's pretty incredible to me.

I've worked in several jobs where I've thought, "If I'm going to have to put up with this BS, they're going to have to pay me a lot more". And the funny thing is, often times they are willing to pay you more if you ask. So there have been times in my career where I've been miserable pretty much exactly because I decided to work in a really stressful environment while accepting a large salary.

As I get older, I'm not really that interested in putting up with the BS. So if I work in an environment without the BS, or if I have a boss who is willing to shield me from the BS, I'm very happy to pay for it.

Actually, there are tons of things I'll pay for. Remote working on a team that knows how to do it and respects remote workers? That's a big discount. A work process that allows me to work effectively in a different timezone or with flexible hours? Another discount. Guarantee that the work I'm doing will be released with a free software license? HUGE discount (really, huge). Working with interesting and talented people? Yep, discount. No inventions agreement? DISCOUNT.

You get the picture. Hell, I'll do a fair amount of work for free if you tick all the boxes. I'm nowhere near alone in this.

Edit: grammar... :-P

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by was_boring » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 2:15 AM UTC

Normal_gaussian wrote: post #115

jshmrsn wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub offers on-prem as well. Of course it's not open source and not potentially free like GitLab https://enterprise.github.com/features

$250/user/year, blocks of 10, min 10 Ouch. If you run your own servers already it's financially worth hosting your own gitlab at the minimum price point. I expect it will be the big orgs who don't move due to integration costs.

Let's be honest, does anyone pay full price beyond 10 users? If there's anything I've learned it's that the word "enterprise" means "negotiable." I suspect they put that out there so they have a place to start without the costly interaction of emails coming in saying "how much for x people."