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GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by lox »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #204
utku_karatas2 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one hell of a pessimistic view if I've ever seen one. What I see is an brilliantly managed company despite having a globally distributed team, which has a great pace of development, which is carving a nice market share in an extremely tough market (developers) and against a fierce competitor (Github), let alone the other multibillion company backed Bitbucket. And their radical transparency, as you put it, is a…

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. How do you get "brilliantly managed company" when they just had a massive data loss? How can you say that honestly?

Is there a strong correlation between company management and ops practice?

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by netcraft »

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

It also comes back with half of my current salary, for a senior with a lot of experience. I know what you mean about future prospects.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by aaron-lebo »

lox wrote: post #221
aaron-lebo wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. How do you get "brilliantly managed company" when they just had a massive data loss? How can you say that honestly?

Is there a strong correlation between company management and ops practice?

Especially for small companies, I'd hope so. If management isn't even aware that they've got data backup issues, they're missing valuable information, yeah?

My boss makes sure I backup stuff...and we're not taking on millions of dollars in funding and customers.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by sytse »

homakov wrote: post #177
hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

How can anyone verify where I live? What if I say I live in SF just don't wanna meet up personally?

Hi Egor, we rely on team members telling the truth about where they live and when they move. In SF we sometimes meet up so that would be slightly harder to pull off. But all of our physical get togethers are optional so you can probably keep this going for a while.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by [deleted] »

graton wrote: post #159
webo wrote: post #129

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Senior Backend Engineer shows 85-95k in Chicago, which is below average. It shows 45-55k for Fayetteville -- most junior guys/gals start around 75k in Fayetteville at mediocre companies.

Yeah, similar for me. In my geo it shows ~87-98K, but if I moved to San Francisco it is ~173-189K. Which seems foolish. They should incentivize people to move to the lower costs geos, not penalize them. And the listed salary for my geo is about 2/3 to 3/4 of my current base pay before any bonuses. The idea of the company sounds good, but the pay is a deal breaker for me. I wouldn't like feeling like I'm providing the…

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Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by homakov »

sytse wrote: post #224
homakov wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can anyone verify where I live? What if I say I live in SF just don't wanna meet up personally?

Hi Egor, we rely on team members telling the truth about where they live and when they move. In SF we sometimes meet up so that would be slightly harder to pull off. But all of our physical get togethers are optional so you can probably keep this going for a while.

It was a general question to all companies, because geosalary seems to be popular. Always wondered how it works, and how it can be abused.

Also: we, digital nomads, don't have any base. I honestly have no answer to "where do you live"

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by ultimatejs »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #220
ultimatejs wrote: post #211

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I didn't say it was amazing. Perhaps you are the one being reflexive. I wrote: "All the things you said could be true, yet their product [could be] amazing." Grammatically, it's called "elliptical." I then immediately say: "I haven't used it, but I like what I'm seeing"--so what I meant should be quite obvious. What value are you adding with your criticism of what--in my case--at least has a question: "What's actuall…

You can find out if their product is amazing by creating an account and using the software. It takes ten minutes, less time than it takes for you to type up that post. The original poster shouldn't have to explain to you how good the software is when you can try it. If you haven't used it his criticisms of the product aren't going to be useful to you anyway. I haven't used it, but I like what I'm seeing If you're jus…

The data loss event that happened--to me--isn't enough to describe the quality of their product. I could go try it, but it's a few hours in (if not a weekend) to really get answers that someone experienced could provide in 3-5 bullet points.

I guess we have one bullet point, do we have more?

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by godelski »

webo wrote: post #129
hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

Senior Backend Engineer shows 85-95k in Chicago, which is below average. It shows 45-55k for Fayetteville -- most junior guys/gals start around 75k in Fayetteville at mediocre companies.

I used a cost of living calculator[1] and compared it to theirs. Found the numbers don't match up. Just matched Nashville vs SF and the low end of Nashville was higher than the low end of SF (-3000 SF dollars) but the high end of Nashville was lower than the high end of SF (+3000 SF dollars).

[1] I've found this calculator to be decently accurate http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l...

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by Lazare »

hamandcheese wrote: post #110

Somewhat off topic, but I was once very interested in working for GitLab. According to their compensation calculator, though, I'd be making less than half what I make now (also working remotely). They ding me for living in a comparatively low cost area. I'm surprised they are able to attract talent to achieve what they have done so far. It makes me worry somewhat about my future prospects in an increasingly globalize…

The concept of the calculator is very strong, but I don't think they've implemented it well.

It seems obvious to me that they should be paying relatively more to people in cheap locations than expensive ones. That saves Gitlab money, biases their hiring to people in cheaper areas, incentivizes people to move to cheaper areas, helps cool down the overheated housing markets in expensive areas.

I can see drawbacks to paying a strict flat amount regardless of local cost of living; some adjustments probably make sense. But Gitlab seems to be doing the opposite. I don't get it.

Re: GitLab acquires Gitter, will open-source the code

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Post by hartator »

sytse wrote: post #218
ernstvn wrote: post #213

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Just to be clear: the calculator takes Level, Experience, and Location into account. If the candidate and recruiter arrive at different numbers while typing into the calculator, then there is apparently miscommunication about one or more of those factors. But being asked to agree to something that is lower than what comes out of the calculator is just not something we do at GitLab. If it came across that way then som…

I want to second this, we should never ask people to agree to something below the calculator. But of course the applicant and the interviewer might disagree about the appropriate title and experience factor for a candidate. We have to decline 200 applicants a week at GitLab. We realize that interviewing is very stressful. We send a survey afterwards to get a net promoter score. The current average is 4.2 out of 5 for…

You are saying most people don't do the survey and I think also most would think it matters how they rate the company for their own future prospects. 4.2 is actually pretty low considering this.
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