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How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

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Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

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The author's comment on access to a mediocre/unknown university instructor for a high fee vs free access to a very good set of lectures (Khan) is one of the doubts that led me to quit my job as a college instructor. I had kind of the existential "what are we doing here?" question -- why are students coming here and paying us money when better instruction is available for free online? Combined with a couple of educati…

In many cases mediocrity is assigned because of the lack of "pedigree". But if the student cares more about the actual learning and content rather than elite badge, it makes sense to come to such universities.

Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

#112

The author's comment on access to a mediocre/unknown university instructor for a high fee vs free access to a very good set of lectures (Khan) is one of the doubts that led me to quit my job as a college instructor. I had kind of the existential "what are we doing here?" question -- why are students coming here and paying us money when better instruction is available for free online? Combined with a couple of educati…

Because the majority of people in this world, are not the type to proactively self learn things on their own. They require structure, teachers, and environments to force them into learning, and then being told what to do. Hacker News is a very small slice of proactive individuals, who are what I would consider the exact opposite. A lot of us are constantly trying new things, building new applications, doing whatever…

"I got up at 4am to be here working on my passions" vs "I'll get to the office when I am supposed to, to do the work they tell me to do"

Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

#113

The author's comment on access to a mediocre/unknown university instructor for a high fee vs free access to a very good set of lectures (Khan) is one of the doubts that led me to quit my job as a college instructor. I had kind of the existential "what are we doing here?" question -- why are students coming here and paying us money when better instruction is available for free online? Combined with a couple of educati…

I have been teaching a free live code bootcamp on YouTube over the past couple of days ( https://lambdaschool.com/mini-bootcamp ). I've noticed a couple things: 1. People get stuck. A lot. Especially in the beginning. Perhaps the biggest difficulty of learning on your own is the "I'm stuck" problem. I learned by hassling people in IRC, but man they were saints and I feel bad for constantly bothering them with my stup…

I agree with all your points. I can't help but wonder though: is it a GOOD idea to force people to do something that ultimately helps them, instead of letting them filter out? That is, is it better for society to have two layers, successful self-made people and unsuccessful people who were incapable of improving without being forced? Or is it better to force the second type to learn something, at the expense of this degree inflation?

I haven't decided for myself, and in fact am struggling with this as the parent of two under-achieving daughters :)

Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

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I studied finance and logistics despite the fact that I had been programming since grade 6. I have no idea why.

So when I started working in finance the ball dropped that I actually wanted to be a programmer.

Well trying to become a software developer with no relevant qualifications and only a grade 6 award for programming in Pascal is difficult, especially when you are located in South Africa.

Luckily I worked for a fortune 500 company that would do anything to reduce employee turnover except pay a decent wage. So I leveraged off that and got them to move me horizontally into more and more technical roles automating what I could and just getting involved in as many technical things as possible.

Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A college degree, in my opinion, has little to do with the degree or the technical material you learn. the value of attending college and completing a four-year degree at an accredited university comes from the environment you're ingrained in for that time. The people you meet, the conversations you have and experiences you expose yourself supersedes the raw material in the curriculum. Don't get me wrong, the stuff i…

A college degree signals to an employer that "this person can finish something". That's why the worst thing you can ever do is put on your resume "Some college". That signals "this person cannot finish something". It doesn't matter what the reason is, just don't put it on. I have to interview a lot of people and I look for qualities that signal the person has the type of personality that can work on a problem, even a…

An alternative way of judging a degree (I'm not just playing Devil's advocate, this is what I believe) is that people who finished college - or worse, have a PhD - are people who do well in artificial, hierarchical environments, where prestige is overwhelmingly more important than knowledge or "getting things done". (You can see a similar mentality with government employees, for example.)

A good exemplification of this is in the Big Bang Theory show, where "Dr." Sheldon is obviously superior to any non-doctor around, no matter how badly adjusted he actually is in the real world. The fact that a lot of people believe that Sheldon is a good model to follow is seriously baffling to me.

Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

#117
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about structured, graded MOOCs like Harvard's CS50x? I'm also curious about how you feel things like /r/learnprogramming, stackoverflow, and stackoverflow IRC can act as surrogates for teachers.

Honestly, at this point I found reddit a much nicer place to go then stackoverflow for technical questions. SO users demand that your question be "correct". Note, I didn't mean that it should be clear what your problem is, it's just that if you ask a "noob question", for an explanation, or if five people think it can't be done, you'll get down voted and closed in a second. It's sad because other (smaller) SE sites ar…

This is incorrect. SO is polluted with "noob" questions and answers, which is why SO is so useless. Google and now even MSDN search results are also polluted with SO hits which are mostly just noise. If anything SO needs more strict moderation.

Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

#118
post #9

This article is so much more inspiring than the title suggests. The fact that this guy got a job at FutureAdvisor after graduating with a business degree... isn't really all that interesting. But the thought process and out-of-the-box thinking he showed at every step, was awe inducing. Getting a business degree instead of just sticking with something he had already mastered, was both smart and brave at the same time.…

If you think about it, him working at FutureAdvisor and getting a business degree is, if nothing else, consistent with what he finds interesting and rewarding.

I just wish I could be 10% as productive as he is in this story. It's really incredible, and there doesn't seem to be a "magic sauce" to it, other than the obvious dogged persistence.

Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

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post #49

Whats the tldr of this story?

He got a programming job without a CS degree. There are so many programmers working without any degree, I fail to see why this blog post was worth writing and posting anywhere. Nothing special here.

Actually he does not even state that the job he got was a programming job, just that it was his "dream job." But what makes it a dream job?

Re: How I got my dream job in the tech industry without a CS degree

#120
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad OP is happy with where he is right now, but his story's ending is underwhelming.

> Instead of emailing as many black holes as possible, I would spend a week deeply researching a company and the business problems it faced, then put together a working prototype that I would cold-email to the CEO as a product improvement. ... My strategy was working!

Really? Interesting, let's see the outcome.

> I made my cold-emails insanely customized: for the language-learning company Duolingo I sent them a video of me speaking four languages.

Seems like it's not really working, Bill.

> Getting attention is only the first step. The next step is to interview.

.... right. So OP wasted a lot of time on something that yielded the same result as spam (applying to every job).

> I met Aline in San Francisco and she remains to this day the best recruiter I’ve ever worked with.

Ok, so it seems those weeks spent deeply researching companies were a huge waste. Ouch. But at least the recruiter helped you get a job, right?

> Not only did she personally introduce me to companies, she helped me recognize that the recruiting practices of top Silicon Valley companies are largely based on superstition. This meant that if I wanted to interview well, I had to put in an unreasonable amount of practice.

Oh, so still no job. Tell me you found a way to avoid the bullshit interview preparation and used your time to improve the skills you'd actually be using in your job.

> I bought all the popular technical interviewing guidebooks and read them cover-to-cover.

Huh, dived head first into that one... might've just gone and gotten yourself a CS degree then.

> At the same time, I continued to scour Hacker News and AngelList for companies with open positions, and continued to cold-email CEOs.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

> I also signed up for Hired which ended up having the best response rate—their platform is where I eventually found my current job.

... so why'd you put all that effort into making personalized emails for companies? Ugh.

> In the end, after hundreds of awkward sales calls, hundreds of rejections, and thousands of hours coding, I was able to choose a company that best aligned with my personal values. I’m now working at FutureAdvisor.

Ok... never heard of them, but I do like the rose-tinted glasses. Not sure what Bill's secret for being positive is, but it seems to be working for him.

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