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Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by developer2 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #130
developer2 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, if Berkeley requests that the Archive Team remove their videos, I assume they would comply? There must be a reason they want their videos taken down, and could presumably use the threat of legal action to have them removed from any archives? Why choose to take down videos being hosted at no cost on YouTube if you're willing to allow them to be "pirated" (aka preserved) elsewhere?

I don't speak for Archive Team or Archive.org. Archive.org has DMCA exemptions but will comply with robots.txt access restrictions post-archival. I operate independently as a digital archivist, providing support when possible. I will keep my own copy in cold storage as long as I'm alive, outside of the US jurisdiction but accessible globally. The reason they're being removed is ADA subtitle compliance and the cost/ef…

For crying out loud. I understand the importance of accessibility, but when complying with mandatory accessibility regulations results in everyone losing access to educational information... well, everyone loses.

Since you can't beat regulation, the real course of action here should not be to archive the videos where nearly nobody will find them, but rather to elicit donations to produce the subtitles. Also, if the content is so extensive, it should probably find a home on a dedicated site other than YouTube which may one day also disappear. It is such a shame to have educational resources essentially become part of the deep web - your average user can find this content on YouTube, but has very little chance of ever discovering it in an archive.

If Berkeley has not already postponed to the maximum extent possible, I would happily donate to the cause. I fear it's likely too late due to a deadline to comply.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#132

Post by toomuchtodo »

developer2 wrote: post #131
toomuchtodo wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't speak for Archive Team or Archive.org. Archive.org has DMCA exemptions but will comply with robots.txt access restrictions post-archival. I operate independently as a digital archivist, providing support when possible. I will keep my own copy in cold storage as long as I'm alive, outside of the US jurisdiction but accessible globally. The reason they're being removed is ADA subtitle compliance and the cost/ef…

For crying out loud. I understand the importance of accessibility, but when complying with mandatory accessibility regulations results in everyone losing access to educational information... well, everyone loses. Since you can't beat regulation, the real course of action here should not be to archive the videos where nearly nobody will find them, but rather to elicit donations to produce the subtitles. Also, if the c…

> but rather to elicit donations to produce the subtitles

I intend to engage someone at Youtube/Google to use their internal automated subtitling system and open source/release the captions along with the existing content [1]. (Why UC Berkley didn't use this, I'm unaware)

In the event the above is not possible, I'll roll my own when time permits (voice recognition with distributed human verification).

> I fear it's likely too late due to a deadline to comply.

Agreed. Hence, archival.

[1] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6373554?hl=en

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by reachtarunhere »

Dangeranger wrote: post #64
toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

All of it has already been archived (EDIT: thanks to the hard work and quick response of ArchiveTeam and /r/DataHoarder). [edit: link to Archive Team project-specific page removed to reduce excessive load; replaced with Archive.is link below] https://archive.is/D1Ail

Has anyone been able to use youtube-dl to archive the CS61B-2016-Spring? 'Computer Science 61B, 002 - Spring 2015' https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-XXv-cvA_iDD4nnsfVIq... Unfortunately this content appears to be throwing HTTP 500 server errors while downloading according to the verbose output. If anyone has that content I'd be interested to know what worked for you.

Even I don't know what was causing it to be failed. What worked for me was downloading starting from the 3rd video and then downloading the 2nd with the help of a firefox plugin.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#134

Post by closeparen »

SilasX wrote: post #92
closeparen wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hold both views. The subtitle requirement doesn't apply to members of the general public. It applies to large institutions which know better, and have the resources to comply. If Berkeley is embarrassed, some other university takes the time to subtitle its video content in the future to avoid a similar mess, and the public gets to keep the Berkeley videos, that's the best possible outcome short of Berkeley captioni…

It's "working as intended" that the material is out there, just a little harder to find and just as disability-incompliant?

The purpose is not to remove material. The purpose is to maximize the set of content accessible to people with disabilities, by encouraging producers to make their content accessible in a way that asking nicely won't.

This has been enough of an ordeal that captioning is likely to be taken more seriously in the future. The law has successfully separated Berkeley from its self-interest in the videos (prestige, etc.) It doesn't really matter that the public gets to keep them.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#135

Post by developer2 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #132
developer2 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For crying out loud. I understand the importance of accessibility, but when complying with mandatory accessibility regulations results in everyone losing access to educational information... well, everyone loses. Since you can't beat regulation, the real course of action here should not be to archive the videos where nearly nobody will find them, but rather to elicit donations to produce the subtitles. Also, if the c…

> but rather to elicit donations to produce the subtitles I intend to engage someone at Youtube/Google to use their internal automated subtitling system and open source/release the captions along with the existing content [1]. (Why UC Berkley didn't use this, I'm unaware) In the event the above is not possible, I'll roll my own when time permits (voice recognition with distributed human verification). > I fear it's l…

Automated subtitles without human review of every spoken phrase likely doesn't comply with regulation. It would be very poor quality to have anything transcribed incorrectly.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#136

Post by WillPostForFood »

developer2 wrote: post #129
toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

All of it has already been archived (EDIT: thanks to the hard work and quick response of ArchiveTeam and /r/DataHoarder). [edit: link to Archive Team project-specific page removed to reduce excessive load; replaced with Archive.is link below] https://archive.is/D1Ail

Out of curiosity, if Berkeley requests that the Archive Team remove their videos, I assume they would comply? There must be a reason they want their videos taken down, and could presumably use the threat of legal action to have them removed from any archives? Why choose to take down videos being hosted at no cost on YouTube if you're willing to allow them to be "pirated" (aka preserved) elsewhere?

They are being taken down because the Justice Department is threatening Berkeley using the ADA because the videos don't have subtitles. Once they are out of Berkeley's control, hopefully all parties will just move on, point being made.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#137

Post by WillPostForFood »

BeetleB wrote: post #81
derekp7 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if a particular classroom has no impacted users, so there isn't (for example) a sign language translator in the class. Now the instructor left the door opened, and doesn't mind if someone loitering in the hallway overhears the lecture. Should the school be required to always provide a sign language interpreter, just in case a deaf person walks through the hallway and wants to observer part of the class from the…

Disclaimer: I am not necessarily agreeing with UCB's decision. Your argument can be made, but as I said elsewhere, we can only know if this is tested in court. The counterargument to what you are saying is that leaving the door open is not done in order to benefit others in the hallway, whereas explicitly putting the videos on a web site is an active action. UCB would have trouble claiming that they're putting the vi…

Berkeley is shutting the virtual door by removing all the videos, and people ARE complaining.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#138

Post by WillPostForFood »

gaastonsr wrote: post #52
brandon272 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was mentioned on reddit as well that there are videos on iTunes that are not on YouTube and that the iTunes videos will be removed as well.

He mentioned private videos on YouTube, not the iTunes.

Yes, and the person you are replying to is pointing out there are videos on iTunes that aren't on YouTube. So if someone wants to fully archive the content, then the iTunes videos also need to be archived.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#139

Post by [deleted] »

developer2 wrote: post #135
toomuchtodo wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but rather to elicit donations to produce the subtitles I intend to engage someone at Youtube/Google to use their internal automated subtitling system and open source/release the captions along with the existing content [1]. (Why UC Berkley didn't use this, I'm unaware) In the event the above is not possible, I'll roll my own when time permits (voice recognition with distributed human verification). > I fear it's l…

Automated subtitles without human review of every spoken phrase likely doesn't comply with regulation. It would be very poor quality to have anything transcribed incorrectly.

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