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Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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when i was young, my female friends would say just be yourself, happy, etc and someone will just come along. i did that, failed, and i said why did it go so wrong? then i considered their world view, and i face palmed myself. same thing happens, women say try online dating, its so easy! my response rate (let alone something that leads to a rl meeting) is about 1/50. not worth it. i wonder if online dating will become…

> i wonder if online dating will become so bad for men, that it will be bad for women too, as the quality men realize its not a favorable arena.

So the assumption here is that if something that works for a lot of other people (even in this thread it's about 50/50 amongst the men in the "worked pretty well for me" vs "didn't work" camp) doesn't work for you is that it's everyone else's problem?

It is, like everything, a sort of game. The successful are the ones who adapt. That can mean changing approaches, trying new things, developing new interests, changing standards, etc.

I did online dating off and on for three years before getting into a long term relationship through it, and the one thing I can tell you is that by the end of it (a) I sent different sorts of messages, (b) I had different sorts of profile pictures, and (c) I behaved differently on dates. I paid attention, I didn't assume I deserved anything, I made adjustments, and it paid off. Sure, I'm jealous of the extremely good looking people who don't have to try, but you don't have to be one of them to find success.

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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I don't really agree with this article. I gave up on online dating a few years back, but as a guy I don't think it was all that bad. Someone said 1/50... I think it was closer to 1/5 women would respond. And look... if they don't respond, that's fine... it's nothing personal at that point. Women have to sift through the messages very quickly. Anyway my advice for making it not suck so much for guys: 1) Find a girl fr…

"Someone said 1/50... I think it was closer to 1/5 women would respond."

thats me,

I'm pretty sure if a plague wiped out all men on earth but me, I still wouldn't get 1/5. 1/50 isn't an exaggeration for me. most websites make it hard to track such things, but the coffee meets baggle app made it easy. out of 100 i had 2 reciprocation, 1 saying it was an accident. out of the next 65 had 1 more before I deleted the app. on traditional dating sites like match, pof, etc I had similar though un-quantified results.

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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I'm a man and in my late 20's (currently mid-30's and been with my partner for a few years now) had a great time using OKCupid. I was able to average 2-3 dates per week and received replies to ~25% of my messages. Before anyone asks, I am average appearance. I don't drive (bicycle only). Things I had going in my favor: I'm white, had a flexible job (could meet whenever) and vegan diet (probably the biggest help as ve…

Also mid-30s and like you, I very much enjoyed the hey-days of OkCupid, that is before Tinder landed and everyone began to swipe dozens of faces per minute and express their personality via unicode icons. That very moment online dating lost all its splendor for me and I was instantly part of the "older set". Which frankly I don't mind a bit. Sure, there are probably still old-school platforms out there, and with plenty of the "as much as a decade older than you", vegan women, but that's uh for another day (or decade)

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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Eh, sure, I guess, kinda? However, the article presents the situation as being: 1) very positive for women and 2) very negative for men. In reality, neither is entirely true. As many, many women will tell you, the unrelenting torrent of creepy messages and dick picks is by no means an unmitigated positive. Yes, you can just open your inbox and find it full, but mostly it's full of utter crap, which actively drowns ou…

It's worse for men

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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post #3

when i was young, my female friends would say just be yourself, happy, etc and someone will just come along. i did that, failed, and i said why did it go so wrong? then i considered their world view, and i face palmed myself. same thing happens, women say try online dating, its so easy! my response rate (let alone something that leads to a rl meeting) is about 1/50. not worth it. i wonder if online dating will become…

Don't ask fish how to fish. Check out theredpill on reddit and never look back.

> Check out theredpill on reddit and never look back

Yea. As in once you check it out, you never want to see it again...

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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Ugh, well, if the roles were reversed here and the author were a man speaking for women this article would be derided. I think there's even a word for this, "mansplaining", no? Isn't that exactly what is happening here?

I'm just one man and don't pretend to speak for every man in the world but my experience with online dating was much better than what she describes. I don't recall what my "success" rate was but it had to of been at least 33%? Maybe more?

Maybe the author should talk to men about their experiences rather than assuming that her own behavior is the norm.

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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post #3

when i was young, my female friends would say just be yourself, happy, etc and someone will just come along. i did that, failed, and i said why did it go so wrong? then i considered their world view, and i face palmed myself. same thing happens, women say try online dating, its so easy! my response rate (let alone something that leads to a rl meeting) is about 1/50. not worth it. i wonder if online dating will become…

Don't ask fish how to fish. Check out theredpill on reddit and never look back.

Yes. Check out theredpill, laugh and/or cry that such a thing is real, and then close it and never look back.

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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Male here. I did online dating for a couple of years. Based on my narrow experience, it seems the odds are indeed dramatically stacked against men—I ended up generally not expecting a response from anyone.

When I changed my profile to “bisexual” (which I am), I saw one reason why—scads of creepy, low-effort messages from men, sometimes with their profile set to “female” to attract more responses. The imbalance leads to slimy game tactics and drives down the quality of experience for everybody.

The only real women who ever messaged me first had qualities that I guess some people consider dealbreakers, such as being big, disabled, trans, non-white, or just not “conventionally pretty”. Curiously, for me and most of my male friends, none of those things would even be a problem, as long as there were basic chemistry and lifestyle compatibility.

In the end, I made a few good friends, and I think that’s actually a very good use case—OkCupid’s “match percentage” for example is a pretty good metric of how much you agree on basic politics, demeanour, and so on. It just falls short of predicting a “spark” in real life—I went on dates with “99% match” women who turned out to share many of what I consider my worst qualities.

Ironically, soon after I gave up on online dating, I met my lovely partner at an internet meetup—so you really never know!

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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I'm a man and in my late 20's (currently mid-30's and been with my partner for a few years now) had a great time using OKCupid. I was able to average 2-3 dates per week and received replies to ~25% of my messages. Before anyone asks, I am average appearance. I don't drive (bicycle only). Things I had going in my favor: I'm white, had a flexible job (could meet whenever) and vegan diet (probably the biggest help as ve…

Good advice, all of it. And written in less space than what I just typed -- shorter means better. (=

Your advice on picture is dead-on, too. Obviously be in your photos but doing something interesting and don't take the picture yourself. I think mine were: cuddling a stray cat, on a hike, and biking in Seattle on vacation.

Re: Why Online Dating Sucks for Men (2013)

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I'm a man and in my late 20's (currently mid-30's and been with my partner for a few years now) had a great time using OKCupid. I was able to average 2-3 dates per week and received replies to ~25% of my messages. Before anyone asks, I am average appearance. I don't drive (bicycle only). Things I had going in my favor: I'm white, had a flexible job (could meet whenever) and vegan diet (probably the biggest help as ve…

This seems to be good advice. The more you know about a person, before you can properly meet them, the more likely you are to find out something that seems massively off-putting and shatters your impression of you.

I know a sample of 1 is nothing etc. but I read an article [1] a while back about a woman who tracked everything she could about every date she went on for two years, and one of the most interesting things I felt was that if she met someone through a dating site, it meant that she knew a lot more about them up-front, and thus didn't like them as much.

[1](http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/what-you-can-lea...)

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