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Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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I like this. Very well put. However, I can't seem to be able to make a connection with the examples your parent comment mentioned. For example, if you want to lose weight but keep eating fast food despite that---what is the healthy need manifesting through that, and how do you address it in some other, good way? Same with being addicted to e.g. alcohol or smoking.

> if you want to lose weight but keep eating fast food despite that---what is the healthy need manifesting through that, and how do you address it in some other, good way? That really depends on the individual; if you'd like to sit on my couch for a couple years ... (I'd have no idea what to do). But as examples, if your body doesn't need something nutritionally (e.g., more energy), perhaps the junk food is a source…

>I would think that physical (i.e., chemical) addictions are different; your body requires that chemical. Alcoholism is a disease, AFAIK.

I'd argue that this is not completely true, as in, there's a significant psychological component as well. I can give a personal example. I'm trying to quit smoking by gradually lowering my nicotine intake, or "cut down to quit". Currently, I've reduced the amount I smoke by several orders of magnitude, and I no longer feel any kind of physical need. Still, I procrastinate with actually making the leap to non-smoker, and I find that my desire to smoke is now driven by purely psychological impulses that I have a lot more trouble controlling than merely ignoring physical withdrawal symptoms.

I'm trying to come up with a good explanation of all that, and you offered a compelling view on the subject―that's the only reason I'm so curious in debating this topic.

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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I am an American living in Russia. When I was studying Russian I read a number of Chekhov's short stories and got a feel for who he was. I later came across one of his quotes: "В человеке должно быть все прекрасно: и лицо, и одежда, и душа, и мысли" (Everything in a person should be excellent: his face, his clothes, his soul and his ideas). I sometimes discussed this phrase with Russians, eventually coming to be beli…

The statue's proportions are somewhat like what you would see if you look at a person from below. As actual drunkard lying on the floor could see Chechov. Source: indigenous Tomsker. We like to joke about Checkov's words about Tomsk.

That's a beautiful idea—like you must view Chekhov from the perspective of a drunk person (a near substitution for 'you are a drunk person') even when you're sober and standing up rather than lying down, because of his strange proportioning, therefore he is the 'cause of seeing his peers as like drunkards.

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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Standard Ebooks looks to be a very interesting project. Is there a story behind the project that details how you got started and who are the main contributors? A 'Show HN' [0] or a write-up on indiehackers.com [1] would be awesome and could you more contributors. I subscribed to your RSS feed [2] that announces your new publications but it lacks a URL for me to download the Ebook right away. Also, is there a way for…

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The OPDS feed is mainly for reading systems and libraries, not for human consumption. However it does actually include direct links to epub files, but you typically have to view the feed source--i.e. the raw XML--to see them. Humans should subscribe to our mailing list,[0] where we do actual release announcements as they occur.

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Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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What happened after the early 90s?

The Soviet Union fell, among other things.

Presumably, in this context meaning that there was much more literature available for reading?

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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I notice this theme again and again in every "change yourself" book, show, class, lecture. Be it weight loss, improving mental health, curing addiction, becoming a better writer/photographer/programmer, the theme all comes down to a battle against yourself. Fighting the desire to snack, fighting the desire to lay on the couch instead of going to the gym, fighting the desire to veg and watch netflix instead of watchin…

It's the animal side vs you, the consciousness.

The animal side is happy with eating, shitting, sleeping, fucking, pointing and laughing at funny stuff, punching other people and things.

You, on the other hand, are trapped inside this animal and want quite different things.

It's a constant struggle.

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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I notice this theme again and again in every "change yourself" book, show, class, lecture. Be it weight loss, improving mental health, curing addiction, becoming a better writer/photographer/programmer, the theme all comes down to a battle against yourself. Fighting the desire to snack, fighting the desire to lay on the couch instead of going to the gym, fighting the desire to veg and watch netflix instead of watchin…

> I have trouble understanding how we can want something, but some other part of us can seem to not want that thing

Humans typically associate themselves (ie 'you'), as a distinct thing in reality, rather than a group of competing agents.

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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I wonder how much of that has to do with it having been translated by people of that period into a classical style of that period. For recent history, maybe that yields "official" translations that are into an older English form that is harder for modern people to read. For example, is a 19th century translation of an ancient Greek text also somewhat impenetrable compared to a more contemporary translation? How much…

Apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pevear_and_Larissa_Vol... have made translations of Dostoyevsky which are eminently more readable than the rest. I've started reading their translation of The Master and Margarita and I'm enjoying it a lot.

> I've started reading their translation of The Master and Margarita and I'm enjoying it a lot.

I'll have to check that out - I enjoyed their War & Peace. I found Ginsburg's translation of The Master and Margarita to be unreadably bad. There was just no joy in it whatsoever, to the point where I was wondering why it was such a famous book. It's been a while, but I recall the adjective use being terribly wooden. So many sentences with the basic structure "X walked down the long broad beautiful street. He spoke with the tall bespectacled bearded man" etc. It was quite tiresome.

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It's also possible the current physical manifestations of these devices will change quite a bit in the near future. I imagine in 20 years of less we'll mostly be using some eye based (glasses, lenses, whatever) display with AR and gesture control.(likely with a gesture "shorthand" for AR control with limited movement for when you don't want to wave your hand in front of you). At that point, it will be both much more…

Thats an intriguing prediction of the future.

Why intriguing? That's the only way I see it going, as well.

The Internet is already an extended memory. Other people's minds are an extended processing power, as well.

It can only get closer and more tightly integrated to our brains, unless society as a whole chooses to get away from that.

This is why privacy concerns are real - what we do today about them will impact the future massively. Will there be a central database of people's private thoughts and memories or will they remain private?

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Soviet Union fell, among other things.

Presumably, in this context meaning that there was much more literature available for reading?

Probably that people had a much harder time surviving to read as much...

Re: Chekhov: “Cultured people must, in my opinion, satisfy the following conditions”

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This letter appears to be a drawn out detailed set of insults to his older brother. Maybe cultured isn't the best translation. Is this what we in the US would have called "classy" back then?

Chekhov had this very weird and dry sense of humor. Some jokes would certainly look like insults to a random observer.

In this case, though, I believe he was actually frank, if blunt, but well meaning (his brother had issues with alcohol).

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