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Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by wonder_er »

guelo wrote: post #133
rdl wrote: post #58

While I like the Internet being open, I don't like "net neutrality" extremism. 1) While I dislike monopoly carrier antics, I'm even more unhappy about the idea of government bureaucrats dictating network engineering standards to carriers and ISPs. If you build a network with caches/content servers close to users, and expensive backhaul back to your network core, you can offer essentially unlimited traffic to users hi…

> "net neutrality" extremism So the NN side are the extremists. Not the side that wants to radically change the way the internet has worked for 40 years. Not the side that wants to upend the most innovative segment of the economy in favor of dinausour monoplies, radically reshaping the foundations of billions of dollars in investment and billions more in created wealth. Those guys are "conservative" right?

reasonable political ideologies can lead to "extreme" outcomes. (I consider an extreme outcome to be one that requires human nature to change, in order to be successful.)

Since I think bureaucrats are gonna bureaucrat, handing them power over anything is a terrible idea.

Are companies good? no, many of them are terrible.

But if enough people don't like a company, the company ceases to exist.

I've yet to see a similar mechanism work for changing something about a bureaucrat i don't like.

I.E. the same thing that causes you to distrust a company (human nature) plays out just the same with a government body. What is it about being a bureaucrat that fixes human nature?

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by throwaway399 »

keebEz wrote: post #173
throwaway399 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with the company/individual distinction premise but even if you ignore individual contributions it's fairly even. Doesn't seem like a distinctly partisan issue.

Because the best lobbyists play both sides of the aisle.

Precisely my point.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by drewrv »

mehaveaccount wrote: post #172
confounded wrote: post #49

Because of the massive amount of consolidation over the last few years, the death of Net Neutrality would be the best competitive moat imaginable for Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. While all their CEOs will make faint noises in favor of Net Neutrality, SV outspends Wall Street 2:1 on lobbying[1], the goal of which is to cement monopoly status, not to make the world a better place. Most of it goes to Republicans. Thin…

> the death of Net Neutrality would be the best competitive moat imaginable for Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. While all their CEOs will make faint noises in favor of Net Neutrality, SV outspends Wall Street 2:1 on lobbying[1], the goal of which is to cement monopoly status, not to make the world a better place. Most of it goes to Republicans. The leaders of Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc are NOT Republicans. Most of…

Most of all, they are pro getting rich(er). They wouldn't be where they are today if that was not their top priority in life.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by confounded »

DannyBee wrote: post #153
confounded wrote: post #49

Because of the massive amount of consolidation over the last few years, the death of Net Neutrality would be the best competitive moat imaginable for Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. While all their CEOs will make faint noises in favor of Net Neutrality, SV outspends Wall Street 2:1 on lobbying[1], the goal of which is to cement monopoly status, not to make the world a better place. Most of it goes to Republicans. Thin…

"Things have changed fast; Google hardly even had lobbyists back during the SOPA blackout. " Errr, the DC office had 100+ people at that point, so .... (IE i'm not sure why you think that, and given it's completely wrong, i'm going to go with 'you just have no idea what you are talking about')

Thanks for pointing this out; fixed.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by fragmede »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #42
cb21 wrote: post #20

> But this idea is under attack, and I'm surprised the tech community isn't speaking out more forcefully. Although many leading tech companies are now the incumbents, I hope we'll all remember that openness helped them achieve their great success. It could be disastrous for future startups if this were to change--openness is what made the recent wave of innovation happen. Is it surprising? What organization is suppos…

If there was a tech workers union, presumably it would cover employees at Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, and many other companies they are not pro net neutrality. So it wouldn't even be in the self interest of the union to get into the battle. It needs to be the consumers who speak up, and the businesses that would be negatively affected.

The Communications Workers of America (CWA), the biggest communications labor union, covers workers at Verizon and AT&T, but last time around they sided with AT&T and Comcast back in 2014.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/naacp-union-net-neu...

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by bluetwo »

Those looking to roll back net neutrality are better organized, better funded, and better connected.

I hate to say it, but this battle seems lost.

We don't need to squander our time arguing over the finer points of the policy. We need a simple way to explain it to the masses.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by xname2 »

mehaveaccount wrote: post #172
confounded wrote: post #49

Because of the massive amount of consolidation over the last few years, the death of Net Neutrality would be the best competitive moat imaginable for Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. While all their CEOs will make faint noises in favor of Net Neutrality, SV outspends Wall Street 2:1 on lobbying[1], the goal of which is to cement monopoly status, not to make the world a better place. Most of it goes to Republicans. Thin…

> the death of Net Neutrality would be the best competitive moat imaginable for Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. While all their CEOs will make faint noises in favor of Net Neutrality, SV outspends Wall Street 2:1 on lobbying[1], the goal of which is to cement monopoly status, not to make the world a better place. Most of it goes to Republicans. The leaders of Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc are NOT Republicans. Most of…

"pro-abortion" lol.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by jacquesm »

drewrv wrote: post #183
mehaveaccount wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the death of Net Neutrality would be the best competitive moat imaginable for Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. While all their CEOs will make faint noises in favor of Net Neutrality, SV outspends Wall Street 2:1 on lobbying[1], the goal of which is to cement monopoly status, not to make the world a better place. Most of it goes to Republicans. The leaders of Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc are NOT Republicans. Most of…

Most of all, they are pro getting rich(er). They wouldn't be where they are today if that was not their top priority in life.

In fairness to some I believe the occasional stroke of luck does happen and people win fortune even if that was not the top priority in their lives.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by mehaveaccount »

drewrv wrote: post #183
mehaveaccount wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the death of Net Neutrality would be the best competitive moat imaginable for Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. While all their CEOs will make faint noises in favor of Net Neutrality, SV outspends Wall Street 2:1 on lobbying[1], the goal of which is to cement monopoly status, not to make the world a better place. Most of it goes to Republicans. The leaders of Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc are NOT Republicans. Most of…

Most of all, they are pro getting rich(er). They wouldn't be where they are today if that was not their top priority in life.

True, I always wonder what it must be like to be those billionaires because I would have retired after my first 10 million.

Re: Keep the Internet Open

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Post by mehaveaccount »

xname2 wrote: post #187
mehaveaccount wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the death of Net Neutrality would be the best competitive moat imaginable for Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. While all their CEOs will make faint noises in favor of Net Neutrality, SV outspends Wall Street 2:1 on lobbying[1], the goal of which is to cement monopoly status, not to make the world a better place. Most of it goes to Republicans. The leaders of Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc are NOT Republicans. Most of…

"pro-abortion" lol.

>"pro-abortion" lol.

heartless thing to laugh about

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