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Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by lordCarbonFiber »

BeetleB wrote: post #60
lordCarbonFiber wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the crux of the matter, and opinion of the majority of people in those threads, was that the decision against Berkeley was decidedly unjustified. To me, so long as the university provides resources to its disable students, which I assume they do given they're not involved in an even bigger lawsuit, what they provide to the public is community service. Denying billions of people across the world access to qual…

>Denying billions of people across the world access to quality information because of the needs of maybe a million deaf in the US is ridiculous and a loss for the world. While I don't take sides on the issue, I will point out that this line of reasoning can be used to justify anything against any minority. The whole point of having this law is to negate this argument. It is (almost by definition) counterproductive to…

What it comes down to is no action is being taken against a minority. The existence of videos not optimal for the deaf (because they can certainly watch them and benefit from google's increasingly effective auto captions) isn't discrimination. To compare that with with legitimate historical oppressions against minorities is short sighted. This isn't utilitarian "good of the many at the expense of the few" this is good of the many with slightly less good for some of the few; with the solution being "good for no one".

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by CalChris »

Abundnce10 wrote: post #59
CalChris wrote: post #32

Dunno if CS 161, Computer Security, is available but it's a great course. Wagner or Weaver both have their points. CS 70 should make the list but the lecture notes are enough. Strongly prefer Kubi for OS or pretty much anything.

I've been looking for CS 161 but it doesn't look like it's available unfortunately.

Again, the course notes (Wagner's for the most part) are really excellent.

http://www-inst.cs.berkeley.edu/~cs161/sp16/

The slides are really excellent. You will miss the opportunity of Weaver frothing at the mouth and using expletives willy nilly. Popa is clearly smart but needs to turn her mic up.

This is a great course. Unless Kubi is teaching 162, anyone should sub 161 for 162. And suffer. Berkeley has a murderers row of good security people. Song, Weaver, Wagner, Popa, .... If Song teaches 261 again, I'm gonna sit in.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#63

Post by BeetleB »

BeetleB wrote: post #58
steven777400 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not involved in the previous discussion at all, but given my limited knowledge of the facts, I'd propose a solution like: "Berkeley should keep these videos up, and work to add subtitles and accessibility features to them in a reasonable timeframe, consistent with funding and personnel availability."

>I'm not involved in the previous discussion at all, but given my limited knowledge of the facts, I'd propose a solution like: "Berkeley should keep these videos up, and work to add subtitles and accessibility features to them in a reasonable timeframe, consistent with funding and personnel availability." The issue is that this is not an option. Any institution that gets federal money is required to comply with ADA r…

Not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this. I am not saying I agree with the rule. I am pointing out the reason UCB has to take this action. The option proposed by the commenter is not one that UCB can legally take.

If my interpretation of the ruling/law is wrong, please correct me.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#64

Post by Dangeranger »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

All of it has already been archived (EDIT: thanks to the hard work and quick response of ArchiveTeam and /r/DataHoarder). [edit: link to Archive Team project-specific page removed to reduce excessive load; replaced with Archive.is link below] https://archive.is/D1Ail

Has anyone been able to use youtube-dl to archive the CS61B-2016-Spring? 'Computer Science 61B, 002 - Spring 2015'

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-XXv-cvA_iDD4nnsfVIq...

Unfortunately this content appears to be throwing HTTP 500 server errors while downloading according to the verbose output.

If anyone has that content I'd be interested to know what worked for you.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#65

Post by BeetleB »

lordCarbonFiber wrote: post #61
BeetleB wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Denying billions of people across the world access to quality information because of the needs of maybe a million deaf in the US is ridiculous and a loss for the world. While I don't take sides on the issue, I will point out that this line of reasoning can be used to justify anything against any minority. The whole point of having this law is to negate this argument. It is (almost by definition) counterproductive to…

What it comes down to is no action is being taken against a minority. The existence of videos not optimal for the deaf (because they can certainly watch them and benefit from google's increasingly effective auto captions) isn't discrimination. To compare that with with legitimate historical oppressions against minorities is short sighted. This isn't utilitarian "good of the many at the expense of the few" this is goo…

>What it comes down to is no action is being taken against a minority.

In your earlier comment, you phrased it as "Denying billions". Either it is an action, or it is not. You cannot make it an action for only one group.

>The existence of videos not optimal for the deaf (because they can certainly watch them and benefit from google's increasingly effective auto captions) isn't discrimination.

I truly appreciate you saying it, but do realize that this is your opinion. Ultimately, we will not know unless this goes to court (which I think UCB decided not to do).

>To compare that with with legitimate historical oppressions against minorities is short sighted.

Two problems with your statement:

1. "Legitimate" is used, when the very essence of the debate is whether it is legitimate or not.

2. "short sighted" is not an argument.

>This isn't utilitarian "good of the many at the expense of the few"

This is part of the debate. If public money is being used for this, then it is at the expense of everyone (including the few). The interpretation of the ADA rules is that for such uses, everyone should have fair access, for some definition of "fair". If UCB was private, and did not take public money, this would not be a debate.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

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Post by SilasX »

BeetleB wrote: post #63
BeetleB wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm not involved in the previous discussion at all, but given my limited knowledge of the facts, I'd propose a solution like: "Berkeley should keep these videos up, and work to add subtitles and accessibility features to them in a reasonable timeframe, consistent with funding and personnel availability." The issue is that this is not an option. Any institution that gets federal money is required to comply with ADA r…

Not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this. I am not saying I agree with the rule. I am pointing out the reason UCB has to take this action. The option proposed by the commenter is not one that UCB can legally take. If my interpretation of the ruling/law is wrong, please correct me.

I'm downvoting you because you're not engaging with the arguments of those who disagree with you, and therefore not adding to the discussion. It's clear that one can both agree with "you can't always be 100% utilitarian", and that accommodation is good, and still think this particular application of it is not an optimal resolution.

Simply repeating back that "we need to accommodate the disabled" is not responding to anyone, and does not account for the points raised by the other side on those discussions.

Note that you have yet to answer even the challenge I presented in this thread: are you opposed to the private hosting of these videos? If not,then you're saying, "allow Berkeley to post them, as long as they back channel it".

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#67

Post by derekp7 »

SilasX wrote: post #49

I deeply apologize if this is off topic, but this request highlights an issue with the original debate, where posters were tripping over each others to express indignation about Berkeley releasing these videos without disability accommodations, reiterating the same arguments for the ADA, and asserting that those same considerations apply here. If you thought the judgment against Berkeley was justified-- that they cou…

You also have c) they had already released the videos, so now they need to follow the law and make them accessible.

My personal feeling on this -- if the videos were created as part of their primary mission, then they would be required to add accessibility. But it seems that these videos were a side effect of their primary mission, which is providing education to enrolled people. In that case, appropriate accommodations were most likely made in those specific classes, where needed.

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#68

Post by billconan »

x0x0 wrote: post #47
billconan wrote: post #36

I want to archive these two: http://rll.berkeley.edu/deeprlcourse/ https://bcourses.berkeley.edu/courses/1453965/pages/cs294-12...

as far as I understand, they're only taking down pre-2015 stuff

OH really! That's good news!

Re: Ask HN: Which Berkeley Courses Should I Archive?

#70

Post by bogomipz »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

All of it has already been archived (EDIT: thanks to the hard work and quick response of ArchiveTeam and /r/DataHoarder). [edit: link to Archive Team project-specific page removed to reduce excessive load; replaced with Archive.is link below] https://archive.is/D1Ail

If you looked at the "Downloaded" column on that link most of the CS courses haven't been downloaded. Also when I click on a link like I am redirected to youtube where the content is as of now still available. Am I missing something?
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