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Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

#81

Post by adgasf »

tboyd47 wrote: post #79

> "Buck is a build system developed and used by Facebook." I have really, really grown to resent this culture of proud and unabashed cargo-culting that we've arrived at in the open source world. Why is this the first sentence describing a new project? Why do we need a Facebook™-approved build system? Does that somehow make it better than the others? And why does Facebook need their own build system? Was the existing…

I think you are overreacting. The first sentence has to introduce you to what you are reading about, and this seems like a fairly minimal description of what Buck is. There are more detailed points below the first paragraph, and a talk available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNI_E0ZgZU.

Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

#82

Post by tboyd47 »

adgasf wrote: post #81
tboyd47 wrote: post #79

> "Buck is a build system developed and used by Facebook." I have really, really grown to resent this culture of proud and unabashed cargo-culting that we've arrived at in the open source world. Why is this the first sentence describing a new project? Why do we need a Facebook™-approved build system? Does that somehow make it better than the others? And why does Facebook need their own build system? Was the existing…

I think you are overreacting. The first sentence has to introduce you to what you are reading about, and this seems like a fairly minimal description of what Buck is. There are more detailed points below the first paragraph, and a talk available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNI_E0ZgZU .

Yeah, sorry. I've just been seeing this more and more in open source and the first paragraph just jumped out at me. Why is is so important that things we use be developed by major companies?

Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

#84

Post by skj »

tboyd47 wrote: post #82
adgasf wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are overreacting. The first sentence has to introduce you to what you are reading about, and this seems like a fairly minimal description of what Buck is. There are more detailed points below the first paragraph, and a talk available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNI_E0ZgZU .

Yeah, sorry. I've just been seeing this more and more in open source and the first paragraph just jumped out at me. Why is is so important that things we use be developed by major companies?

It isn't. But if something is run by a major company wouldn't you want to know?

Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

#85

Post by bigmanwalter »

tboyd47 wrote: post #82
adgasf wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are overreacting. The first sentence has to introduce you to what you are reading about, and this seems like a fairly minimal description of what Buck is. There are more detailed points below the first paragraph, and a talk available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNI_E0ZgZU .

Yeah, sorry. I've just been seeing this more and more in open source and the first paragraph just jumped out at me. Why is is so important that things we use be developed by major companies?

It's an unpoular opinion, but I feel that React et al are just a way for Facebook to gain developer mindshare. Likewise how Angular is a play for Google to gain developer mindshare. The big guys want developers locked into their ecosystems. It's a play out of Microsoft's book.

When you realize that none of these frameworks are even an improvement over jQuery, it becomes clear what the true motivation is.

Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

#86

Post by gregmac »

tboyd47 wrote: post #79

> "Buck is a build system developed and used by Facebook." I have really, really grown to resent this culture of proud and unabashed cargo-culting that we've arrived at in the open source world. Why is this the first sentence describing a new project? Why do we need a Facebook™-approved build system? Does that somehow make it better than the others? And why does Facebook need their own build system? Was the existing…

It does actually make a difference. Contrast:

> "x is a build system developed by me as a side-project that I might drop at any time, and its only production use is to compile itself and a hello world app"

Not to say people's side projects aren't useful, but there's only so many hours in a day, and there are thousands and thousands of open source projects, so you need some way to evaluate what's worth looking at. Knowing it has more than one person behind it, some time in field (so it's not 0.0.1 alpha), and is actively being used (you're not writing the first production code using it) goes a long way to separating it from the pack.

Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

#87

Post by mod »

tboyd47 wrote: post #82
adgasf wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are overreacting. The first sentence has to introduce you to what you are reading about, and this seems like a fairly minimal description of what Buck is. There are more detailed points below the first paragraph, and a talk available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNI_E0ZgZU .

Yeah, sorry. I've just been seeing this more and more in open source and the first paragraph just jumped out at me. Why is is so important that things we use be developed by major companies?

I don't find that important, but I find that it means

1) This is probably a project I want to check out, if it pertains to my stack, and

2) This is probably going to stick around and not be unsupported very soon.

I would be just as happy if FB hadn't developed it, and instead it was just used by them. (Or any other of maybe a dozen big camps) Or if it was just used by a whole lot of people.

Widespread use is a pretty good metric for what library to choose, when you aren't familiar with the landscape.

Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

#88

Post by westerlee »

gregmac wrote: post #86
tboyd47 wrote: post #79

> "Buck is a build system developed and used by Facebook." I have really, really grown to resent this culture of proud and unabashed cargo-culting that we've arrived at in the open source world. Why is this the first sentence describing a new project? Why do we need a Facebook™-approved build system? Does that somehow make it better than the others? And why does Facebook need their own build system? Was the existing…

It does actually make a difference. Contrast: > "x is a build system developed by me as a side-project that I might drop at any time, and its only production use is to compile itself and a hello world app" Not to say people's side projects aren't useful, but there's only so many hours in a day, and there are thousands and thousands of open source projects, so you need some way to evaluate what's worth looking at. Kno…

This does not logically follow. Why does facebook know best what kind of build system is suitable for my needs, given that I'm probably nothing like facebook? Why does George Foreman know how I want my grill?

I understand the human need to optimize attention, use basal heuristics to weed out unattractive options, and nurture a need to belong, but this is not logic. It's a rationalization.

It's also why this works, and why facebook (and every other major tech player) does it. It's a brilliant marketing and recruiting tool and a way to insert influence under the guise of open benevolence.

Hidden out there is probably a better tool for your needs. But now you'll never find it.

Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

#89

Post by dsil »

tboyd47 wrote: post #82
adgasf wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are overreacting. The first sentence has to introduce you to what you are reading about, and this seems like a fairly minimal description of what Buck is. There are more detailed points below the first paragraph, and a talk available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNI_E0ZgZU .

Yeah, sorry. I've just been seeing this more and more in open source and the first paragraph just jumped out at me. Why is is so important that things we use be developed by major companies?

It's important because a lot more gets done when multiple people are being paid to work on bugs & features full-time than when it's, say, one person trying to find some spare time in their evenings.

Re: Buck – A build system developed and used by Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

tboyd47 wrote: post #79

> "Buck is a build system developed and used by Facebook." I have really, really grown to resent this culture of proud and unabashed cargo-culting that we've arrived at in the open source world. Why is this the first sentence describing a new project? Why do we need a Facebook™-approved build system? Does that somehow make it better than the others? And why does Facebook need their own build system? Was the existing…

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