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Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Post by sumedh »

sg47 wrote: post #608
sumedh wrote: post #596

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> how biased the immigration system is, against the Indians. What specifically do you mean by that. As far as I know many Indians get Resident visa because of their skills.

There's a limit to the number of green cards that can be issued for people from a particular nationality (country of birth than country of citizenship). This creates a backlog for Indians and Chinese nationals. The backlog causes a long wait time and uncertainty for Indian nationals. There are people, like me, who have been waiting for their green card for more than 7 years. I've been in this country for 15 years now…

I guess I misread your earlier comment, I thought you were talking about Australian immigration policies to the parent commenter who was an Australian.

My bad, since you are talking about US, yes I agree with you.

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Post by ajross »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #548
dave_sullivan wrote: post #542

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> I'm in favor of a solid border control regime (i.e. "build the wall"), You seem like a pretty reasonable guy, so I'm curious: how do you justify the cost of building and maintaining the wall? And what are we getting in return? "Fewer mexicans immigrating illegally"? For every dollar you pay in taxes, you want what % going to keeping illegal immigrants out? For me, I really couldn't care less, I'm fine with 0%. The…

It's statistically factual, at least in the USA, that illegal immigrants are more prone to crime, and that immigrant households are more likely to use welfare/EBT/etc. than native households. That is, illegals commit more crimes and are less economically productive vs. the existing population.

> It's statistically factual, at least in the USA, that illegal immigrants are more prone to crime

That's exactly the opposite of factual. This has been debunked extensively. Here's a review piece with some links: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigran...

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Post by camus2 »

akhilcacharya wrote: post #391
camus2 wrote: post #271

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> You mean like Steve Job's biological father, who was/is a business owner in America? You mean like his father who abandoned him?

Doesn't change his ancestry.

> Doesn't change his ancestry.

Doesn't change the fact that Jobs was an american citizen, not an immigrant.

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Post by synicalx »

I wonder what would have happened if they stayed in their own countries? Would they have built billion dollar or even million dollar businesses there as well? Would that have been of more benefit to said countries than allowing one of their best and brightest to "jump ship"?

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Post by int_19h »

Cuuugi wrote: post #10

Whenever I see "Immigration" in the title, i think anti-Trump and get sad. No one is trying to stop legal immigration. Tech companies are mad because they are cracking down on H1-B Visa abuse. This is not a bad thing.

I'm a legal immigrant here in US. I have a green card, and patiently waiting for when I can finally apply for citizenship.

After the mess that they have made with the first EO, when people with green cards were turned at the border, my main takeaway is that I'm not going to come anywhere near the border until I get that citizenship.

Yes, I am anti-Trump. Even if there were no other reasons, the EO alone would be quite sufficient to make me so, out of pure self-preservation.

I've also increased my monthly ACLU donation 5x. Not the least because I can never know if I wouldn't end up the beneficiary of their services some day under this administration.

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Post by int_19h »

masondixon wrote: post #393
thinkcontext wrote: post #346

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"No one is trying to stop legal immigration." You are misinformed: "GOP Senators Move to Limit Legal Immigration A pair of Republican senators are teaming up with the White House to introduce legislation to restrict legal immigration by slashing the number of visas and green cards available each year." https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-02-07/sen...

"It simply tries to get a handle on 1 million immigrants coming here a year, virtually none of whom are coming here based on their employment skills or demonstrated economic need," he said. " I don't think our immigration system is working for working Americans." How does it make sense to let people in who will not work or fulfil a need? How is this sustainable? From http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/1/14…

> Family-based migration doesn't exist in other countries

Family-based migration absolutely does exist in other countries, including those you have specifically named. It may not be as extensive as in US, but that's a different matter.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/

https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Brin

And yes, having an eligible family member does effectively "guarantee you a spot as an immigrant yourself". Point-based system is for skilled immigration.

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Post by tristor »

coldpie wrote: post #481
tristor wrote: post #385

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> Supporting Republicans means supporting racism. This is patently untrue and statements like these are not helpful to the overall political situation that you're upset about. Demonizing your opposition in your rhetoric is divisive and causes reasonable people to shy away. One of the reasons the Democrats lost the elections almost across the board in 2016 was because of their insistence on divisive rhetoric. To win e…

>> Supporting Republicans means supporting racism. > This is patently untrue No it isn't. The border wall is an idea rooted in racism. Look at Trump's nonsense about rapists and murderers. The immigration ban is a policy rooted in racism. Look at Trump's nonsense about Muslims cheering during 9/11. Do you notice a pattern how support for these policies go hand-in-hand with racist comments? That's because these polici…

You clearly seem to misunderstand or be unable to separate Trumpism from conservatism. There are a lot of registered Republicans who are believers in a conservative political ideology. Trumpism is NOT a conservative ideology. Trump is not a conservative, he's a populist authoritarian. It's a seriously unfortunate circumstance for a lot of Republicans that Trump ended up being their party's candidate.

Calling /all/ of these people racists is extremely divisive and also blatantly untrue. Doing so does not win you elections and it doesn't move the politics of the US forward. All it does is make you look unreasonable to anyone intelligent and maybe win you virtue signalling points with Facebook-focused liberals. It also demeans the term "racism". Can we focus on the ACTUAL racism that's occurring within our current administration without painting large swaths of the voting population with an unfair brush?

Also, can you please take the time to breath deeply and realize that Donald Trump is not the only politician who was voted into office on behalf of the Republican Party?

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Post by tristor »

elif wrote: post #455
tristor wrote: post #311

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The attitude you just displayed is basically why Trump won the election. Let me translate your statements to an economic reality: "Screw the entire middle of the country and anyone who doesn't live in cities. Except those guys in Chicago, I guess they're alright." Low wage earners are a huge chunk of the legal US population. After the government the next largest employer in the country is Walmart. Most of those peopl…

I see. I apologize that my logic in support of open borders and extending the american jobs economy to immigrants has been construed as a Trump-esque attitude of "screw the [...] middle of the country" For what it's worth, I am not on either side of an aisle, and am so disconnected from media that I have no idea how my perspective is in any way correlated to Trump's antithetical closed-borders policy. Please forgive…

To be clear, I'm not personally opposed to open borders. I'm responding to this line "that effect is only negative from the specific perspective of low end salary holders." which as a statement is deeply lacking in empathy for the fact that MILLIONS of people in this country are "low end salary holders" who are negatively impacted by the labor competition that open borders brings.

This doesn't mean that open borders is a net negative policy, but it does have a tremendous negative impact on real people. That's something that needs to be considered seriously in the policy proposal and mitigated if possible. Hand-waving it away is basically the standard rhetoric of coastal city elites who don't give one iota of brain power for thinking about the "rubes in flyover states". Giving some effort to have empathy for every man, woman, and child in this country and how they're impacted by the policies we espouse, support, and advocate for is one way we can reduce the divisiveness of politics and heal our nation so we can move into a better future.

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