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Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by josh_carterPDX »

kentonv wrote: post #9

Hi all, I'm not sure how responsive I'll be able to be on this thread since I'm in orientation today. :) But, here's the things I expect to be repeating a lot: - Sandstorm is still an independent company, under control of Jade and myself. - Sandstorm is "my baby" and I'm not going to stop working on it just because I have a day job. Yes, it will slow down a bit -- but on the bright side, we were previously spending t…

I guess I'm confused by the carefully chosen wording of this post. Did Cloudflare acquire Sandstorm? Was this an acqui-hire? Appreciate the clarity and I understand if there are elements that can't be shared publicly.

Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by kentonv »

josh_carterPDX wrote: post #21
kentonv wrote: post #9

Hi all, I'm not sure how responsive I'll be able to be on this thread since I'm in orientation today. :) But, here's the things I expect to be repeating a lot: - Sandstorm is still an independent company, under control of Jade and myself. - Sandstorm is "my baby" and I'm not going to stop working on it just because I have a day job. Yes, it will slow down a bit -- but on the bright side, we were previously spending t…

I guess I'm confused by the carefully chosen wording of this post. Did Cloudflare acquire Sandstorm? Was this an acqui-hire? Appreciate the clarity and I understand if there are elements that can't be shared publicly.

No, Cloudflare did not acquire Sandstorm, but four of the seven team members (including both founders) are joining as individuals. This was our preference -- I love Cloudflare but I'd also like Sandstorm to remain independent.

Sorry, I meant for that to be clear in the post but I guess I failed.

Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by strlen »

kentonv wrote: post #9

Hi all, I'm not sure how responsive I'll be able to be on this thread since I'm in orientation today. :) But, here's the things I expect to be repeating a lot: - Sandstorm is still an independent company, under control of Jade and myself. - Sandstorm is "my baby" and I'm not going to stop working on it just because I have a day job. Yes, it will slow down a bit -- but on the bright side, we were previously spending t…

Congrats Jade and Kenton.

Personal thanks to you for both Cap'n Proto and Sandstorm.

Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by djsumdog »

josh_carterPDX wrote: post #21
kentonv wrote: post #9

Hi all, I'm not sure how responsive I'll be able to be on this thread since I'm in orientation today. :) But, here's the things I expect to be repeating a lot: - Sandstorm is still an independent company, under control of Jade and myself. - Sandstorm is "my baby" and I'm not going to stop working on it just because I have a day job. Yes, it will slow down a bit -- but on the bright side, we were previously spending t…

I guess I'm confused by the carefully chosen wording of this post. Did Cloudflare acquire Sandstorm? Was this an acqui-hire? Appreciate the clarity and I understand if there are elements that can't be shared publicly.

I suspect they intend to keep working on Sandstorm in their spare time (like most of us on here and our OSS side projects), but my have explicitly had their work contracts worded in such a way as that's allowable (or maybe Cloudflare is giving them x% of time to dedicate to it?)

I'm currently in the process of leaving my full time job to work on my OSS stuff full time again. It's a tough move because you do eventually run out of money if you can't get enough grants, donations or a following on Patreon. That's how I ended up back in a full time gig myself.

Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by josh_carterPDX »

kentonv wrote: post #23
josh_carterPDX wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm confused by the carefully chosen wording of this post. Did Cloudflare acquire Sandstorm? Was this an acqui-hire? Appreciate the clarity and I understand if there are elements that can't be shared publicly.

No, Cloudflare did not acquire Sandstorm, but four of the seven team members (including both founders) are joining as individuals. This was our preference -- I love Cloudflare but I'd also like Sandstorm to remain independent. Sorry, I meant for that to be clear in the post but I guess I failed.

It's ok. That's why I asked. I've seen acquisition announcements worded the same way so I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding. Thanks for the clarity!

Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

#27

Post by kentonv »

devnull42 wrote: post #11

>Although Cloudflare recently suffered from a widely-reported security incident, their response was impressively fast and transparent. Really....seemed like they massively downplayed to me.

FWIW I blogged more about it a couple weeks ago (editorial at the bottom): https://sandstorm.io/news/2017-02-28-cloudbleed

Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by fictioncircle »

devnull42 wrote: post #11

>Although Cloudflare recently suffered from a widely-reported security incident, their response was impressively fast and transparent. Really....seemed like they massively downplayed to me.

Because they did, its typical corporate PR speak for any PR release which is basically what the OP is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/google-en...

Even someone as popular as Steve Yegge that probably could have told Google to GFY basically switched to PR speak the next day:

> Yegge wrote a mea culpa the next day and praised Google PR for not coming down on him. He took the post offline but let others keep their copies. And then he stopped ranting and presumably went back to work. If only some politicians could learn from his example. When you make a mistake, the more you talk about it, the longer the story lives.

I don't think anything he says has been a PR disaster and I think his POV is genuinely correct (that could be just because he is persuasive :P).

I think the truth is people want the white lie of PR speak because when you stop and try to be honest, many people will try to use it against you later so its safer to use the PR filter that is a white lie than be 100% transparent.

Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by jacquesm »

nine_k wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sandstorm is still an independent company, under control of Jade and myself. Whenever I hear that I'm subvocalizing 'for now'. How do you see this in the longer term?

(Isn't everything in our life "for now", given a sufficiently long now?) What kind of hostile commercial interest there might be, especially when the technology is protected by open-source licenses? If there were a non-hostile commercial interest, akin to Citus in Postgres, won't it be a win for all?

That such independence is - historically at least - usually the opposite. There are very few examples of where post acquisition such independence turned out to be the real deal.

Re: The Sandstorm Team Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by simplehuman »

kentonv wrote: post #9

Hi all, I'm not sure how responsive I'll be able to be on this thread since I'm in orientation today. :) But, here's the things I expect to be repeating a lot: - Sandstorm is still an independent company, under control of Jade and myself. - Sandstorm is "my baby" and I'm not going to stop working on it just because I have a day job. Yes, it will slow down a bit -- but on the bright side, we were previously spending t…

Hey Kenton, you replied previously (in another thread) that he will keep running Oasis since it's your baby. So, let's say Oasis goes down right now and right now you are in the middle of your orientation... does it mean that nobody will look into it until later tonight (that too if you have time) ? What is the agreement with Cloudflare?
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