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CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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Re: CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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post #27

A 3.5" floppy copier concealed as a "day planner" and using systemd? Such spycraft in 2013 is hilarious to think about. Especially thinking about some random corporate/government worker who got recruited as a source by the CIA and has 'unsupervised' access to some floppies.

I'm sure there's plenty of mostly non-networked industrial facilities in the "3rd world" that use 3.5 for enough of their equipment that it's the most convenient form of storage at the facility level.

Re: CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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Are there any devices (on the public market) that allow for high-density whole-disk imaging/scanning with one rotation of the floppy? Feels like it could be useful for bringing "dead" floppies back to life for e.g. retro computing enthusiasts. Scan it once at insanely high resolution and later analyze the data...

There are hardware tools like http://www.kryoflux.com/ which might be of interest, I've never used them, so can't comment on how well they'd work afraid.

Re: CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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I know this is hard for some of you in your SoCal startup VC money burning bubbles to believe but people who work in the defense industry read this site. People who want to maintain a security clearance and abide by the law cannot in good faith browse a site hosting leaked classified into.

If you want to discuss these sorts of technologies you should probably post a link to a 3rd party summary or analysis so that the people who are most frequently qualified to discuss those technologies are not excluded.

Re: CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steganography actually causes distortions that are noticeable. Unencripted data often has very odd patterns, encrypted data looks unusually random.

Probably was supposed to be steganography, since stenography is what courtroom reporters do.

Aye, AutoCorrupt to the rescue.

Re: CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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I know this is hard for some of you in your SoCal startup VC money burning bubbles to believe but people who work in the defense industry read this site. People who want to maintain a security clearance and abide by the law cannot in good faith browse a site hosting leaked classified into. If you want to discuss these sorts of technologies you should probably post a link to a 3rd party summary or analysis so that the…

If you signed an NDA that criminalizes reading public data (that is still classified) on the open web, perhaps it's not the fault of websites posting links to that data when you click on it.

Seriously, your clearance comes with tradeoffs. Some of us aligned against government secrecy and flunkies who sympathize with the surveillance state want the list of potential downsides for that career choice to be as long as possible.

If your shitty job will put you in jail for reading headline news, maybe you should reconsider your job.

You have another option: Boot Tails. Use Tor. Read away. Don't get caught. Don't let the thought police use the threat of jail to extinguish your intellectual curiosity.

Re: CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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I know this is hard for some of you in your SoCal startup VC money burning bubbles to believe but people who work in the defense industry read this site. People who want to maintain a security clearance and abide by the law cannot in good faith browse a site hosting leaked classified into. If you want to discuss these sorts of technologies you should probably post a link to a 3rd party summary or analysis so that the…

Question -- would that security clearance allow you to read that third party writeup? I would think it would prohibit all contact, both direct and multiple-times-removed indirect contact with the data.

Re: CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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I know this is hard for some of you in your SoCal startup VC money burning bubbles to believe but people who work in the defense industry read this site. People who want to maintain a security clearance and abide by the law cannot in good faith browse a site hosting leaked classified into. If you want to discuss these sorts of technologies you should probably post a link to a 3rd party summary or analysis so that the…

I recall the Wikileaks summary said most of the data was unclassified because it was needed to be used (deployed) to remote (victim) machines.

Re: CIA wanted a way to copy 3.5“ floppy disks ”in a covert manner“ in 2013

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post #10

I imagine this is to target old manufacturing or scada equipment. If you want to sabotage an industrial target then you're going to be seeing a lot of legacy equipment. /r/sysadmin posts from manufacturing and industrial sysadmins are fascinating as they are scary. Also it may reveal that the target is using old methods for security purposes. Imagine an office where no one has any sort of user accessible networking (…

Typerwriters won't help. Soviets could bug them in 1976: https://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/how-soviets-used-ib... I bet that now, CIA can do it much more stealthily. And I also think that it is pretty hard to make these 1980's workstations secure -- that old DOS software was full of vulnerabilities, and it has no modern protections at all (usernames, kernel mode). I remember back at high school we had "1980s s…

All of those vulnerabilities are pretty useless unless you can get the data out easily, the CIA solution seems better
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