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Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the "Illegals"... Rhetoric aside, as you pointed out, this is only the beginning. Authoritarians always need a scrapegoat to blame for "failed policies". Once one group is eliminated, on to another.

this is also called the slippery slope fallacy.

It's not a slippery slope when it's supported by evidentiary claims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#Non-fallacious_...

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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post #61

The irony here: Some people see studies like this and think, wow, think of how much we'd lose if we didnt let in immigrants. Our economy would be smaller, we'd have fewer jobs, etc. Other people see studies like this and think, wow, only us locals should own, run, and be employed by these Billion-Dollar Startups. Bannon has explicitly noted this as a goal!

This sense of entitlement due to physical proximity of birthplace is completely arbitrary, ridiculous, and counterproductive. Discriminating on nationality (which most had zero choice in, and was decided for them at birth) is the same as discriminating based on skin color or biological sex. It's just standard anticompetitive in-group/out-group fear-driven nonsense.

But companies use anti-competitive practices to their great advantage...

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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One of the basic premises of anti-immigrant policies is that you can somehow influence the ratio of "useful" vs "not-useful" immigrants. Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. Universities do it.

The distinction often is more akin to "promising" and "not promising". Universities, employers, creditors, those looking for a spouse, etc. Everyone does it to some degree. Why can't a country?

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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One of the basic premises of anti-immigrant policies is that you can somehow influence the ratio of "useful" vs "not-useful" immigrants. Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

Are you against criminal records checks for immigrants?

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

#85
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the "Illegals"... Rhetoric aside, as you pointed out, this is only the beginning. Authoritarians always need a scrapegoat to blame for "failed policies". Once one group is eliminated, on to another.

First they came for the illegals but I didn't speak up because my 401k has been making massive gains and this whole administration has been awesome for me but I can't say that out loud in California because people are still imagining a reason to lose their minds while the checks and balances are working out as intended the whole time!

Given the current composition of Congress and appointees, checks and balances are hanging on by a thread at the moment. That is what has people worried.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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One of the basic premises of anti-immigrant policies is that you can somehow influence the ratio of "useful" vs "not-useful" immigrants. Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. Universities do it.

How is this a useful statement?

It was common for dysfunctional parents to teach racism in the 1960's -- but parroting back this statement of fact didn't end racism. Simply stating "universities do it" isn't helpful, unless you're indicating where you'd like to start affecting change.

People need to be accountable to "the better angels of our nature" in order to affect useful change.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the "Illegals"... Rhetoric aside, as you pointed out, this is only the beginning. Authoritarians always need a scrapegoat to blame for "failed policies". Once one group is eliminated, on to another.

this is also called the slippery slope fallacy.

I had to look this up :). But I would have to disagree on that. Trump/Bannon have a recorded history of anti-immigration, anti-muslim rhetoric. And they also took a pretty long time to openly call out against the antisemitism.

The Obama administration has deported many many illegal immigrants and yet I've never felt that way for them.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that needs a citation with a clear quote.

I think he maybe referring to this: Bannon responded: “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” he didn’t finish his sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.” http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/16/13653490/steve-bannon-tru...

What a surprise, a request for citation of an outrageous anti-Trump claim results in an avalanche of irrelevant links.

Re: Study: Immigrants Founded 51% of U.S. Billion-Dollar Startups

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One of the basic premises of anti-immigrant policies is that you can somehow influence the ratio of "useful" vs "not-useful" immigrants. Apart from the idea of sorting people into useful and useless being inhumane, it also seems to be counterproductive. It looks like every kind of screening of immigrants will deter the more desirable ones, as far as that determination is possible on their arrival at all.

Are you also against interviews or technical tests while hiring people? Do you suppose that jobs should be offered on a first-come first-serve basis, or through a lottery, since number of applicants would be higher than number of positions?
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