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Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by stymaar »

onewaystreet wrote: post #152
falcolas wrote: post #99

Obligatory pimping of a tool I use (not mine, though): http://hckrnews.com/ Shows stories which have hit the front page ever, in the order of their posting. If it's currently on the front page, the link is orange. If it's not, it's black. It's very interesting to watch how frequently highly upvoted and commented posts turn black, while their temporal peers remain. Anecdotally, there appears to be trend of positive/ne…

> For example, as of this instant in time, there is an article about Angular2 which remains on the front page while more highly upvoted and commented articles about laptop security For front page rankings time matters more than total votes. A submission with 10 votes can be ranked higher than one with 50 if those 10 votes came in minutes rather than over the course of a day. It's not surprising that controversial sub…

> For front page rankings time matters more than total votes

Yes, but it's not the only thing at stake because you often see more recent and more up-voted posts being below older and less up-voted ones.

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by dang »

jsnell wrote: post #168
dang wrote: post #149

The story the OP is complaining about was flagged by users. Moderators never saw it (edit: wrong, we put 2010 on the title by mistake, see downthread [1]). Had we seen it, we would have turned off the flags. There's a long tradition of people looking at HN data and posting about it. Edit #2: since the 2010 thing was our mistake (an accident of sleep deprivation by the looks of it!) I've invited foob to repost the ori…

Could "vouch" be made available if there are any flags, even before the full flagging threshold is reached?

We've been toying with doing something like this. The original intent of vouching was to rescue good posts that happen to be [dead] (e.g. because a banned user posted them) which is why we didn't implement it that way at the time.

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by falcolas »

onewaystreet wrote: post #152
falcolas wrote: post #99

Obligatory pimping of a tool I use (not mine, though): http://hckrnews.com/ Shows stories which have hit the front page ever, in the order of their posting. If it's currently on the front page, the link is orange. If it's not, it's black. It's very interesting to watch how frequently highly upvoted and commented posts turn black, while their temporal peers remain. Anecdotally, there appears to be trend of positive/ne…

> For example, as of this instant in time, there is an article about Angular2 which remains on the front page while more highly upvoted and commented articles about laptop security For front page rankings time matters more than total votes. A submission with 10 votes can be ranked higher than one with 50 if those 10 votes came in minutes rather than over the course of a day. It's not surprising that controversial sub…

The three articles I mentioned were all newer than the Angular article.

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Mithaldu wrote: post #43
DanBC wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not a big fan of the secrecy around moderator interventions - what gets censored, what posts get re-titled, etc. This feels pretty transparent: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dang https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=sctb

The problem with that is that they have various tools like adjusting things off the frontpage or banning comment threads to the bottom of the list; but the UI itself does not provide information on those. If the mods do any of these things but don't also leave a human comment on them, then it's unlikely people will notice.

>the UI itself does not provide information on those //

Which is down to the varying desires of the community and the administration. The admin/mods have at least in part a goal of promoting their commercial ends whilst the community in general are neutral wrt those same ends. If the mods upgrade YC companies visibly and downgrade competitors, for example, then the chances are that will cause problems between the admin and the community.

Based on that I can't see YC ever agreeing to do their moderation in public. I think we have to remember that this is not a neutral forum but has an inbuilt bias, through moderation, towards the administrations benefits.

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by walterbell »

jsnell wrote: post #168
dang wrote: post #149

The story the OP is complaining about was flagged by users. Moderators never saw it (edit: wrong, we put 2010 on the title by mistake, see downthread [1]). Had we seen it, we would have turned off the flags. There's a long tradition of people looking at HN data and posting about it. Edit #2: since the 2010 thing was our mistake (an accident of sleep deprivation by the looks of it!) I've invited foob to repost the ori…

Could "vouch" be made available if there are any flags, even before the full flagging threshold is reached?

Good idea. If a flagging brigade is active, early independent vouching would either stop the brigade, or make it easier to detect the brigade.

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by giarc »

laurent123456 wrote: post #12

As much as I like HN, I'm not a big fan of the secrecy around moderator interventions - what gets censored, what posts get re-titled, etc. I can understand they might want to keep the ranking algorithm and anti-spam techniques secret, but stuff that are manually censored by a moderator should be indicated as such, maybe by some automatic message like "This post was removed due to [reason]". Some websites manage to fi…

Not only that but moderators should be marked as such. I have no idea who are moderators other than /dang

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by md224 »

dang wrote: post #149

The story the OP is complaining about was flagged by users. Moderators never saw it (edit: wrong, we put 2010 on the title by mistake, see downthread [1]). Had we seen it, we would have turned off the flags. There's a long tradition of people looking at HN data and posting about it. Edit #2: since the 2010 thing was our mistake (an accident of sleep deprivation by the looks of it!) I've invited foob to repost the ori…

> Meta is basically crack, so we routinely downweight such posts

Interesting that you make a drug analogy. What's wrong with letting HN users have their crack? Unlike actual crack, there's no danger of side effects, dependency, withdrawal, etc. Maybe the "upvoting trance" is the expression of a sincere communal desire? It's not like it's "trashy" content... meta is simply self-reflection. Why penalize it?

Maybe the fear is that the front page will be overrun with meta content... that makes sense, but I feel like one or two meta posts couldn't hurt. I think self-consciousness is a positive attribute for a community.

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by M_Grey »

walterbell wrote: post #186
jsnell wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could "vouch" be made available if there are any flags, even before the full flagging threshold is reached?

Good idea. If a flagging brigade is active, early independent vouching would either stop the brigade, or make it easier to detect the brigade.

You'll just create competing teams of brigades. Better to just go to a moderator and say, "I think my submission was brigaded, help!"

Re: Stories that Hacker News removes from the front page

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Post by walterbell »

M_Grey wrote: post #189
walterbell wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good idea. If a flagging brigade is active, early independent vouching would either stop the brigade, or make it easier to detect the brigade.

You'll just create competing teams of brigades. Better to just go to a moderator and say, "I think my submission was brigaded, help!"

Doesn't flagging trigger moderator review? If not, should it be called something stronger, like "killing"?
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