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How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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I'm an immigrant. I consider it a blessing to be able to do so.

I'm an immigrant. I consider it robbery to be intimidated by force into paying taxes.

You were forced to immigrate to this country?! Otherwise... the "force" part here is more like, "I was forced to pay for the meal I decided to eat at the restaurant! How dare they!"

Don't like it? Don't eat.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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I live in New Zealand. I don't have to file taxes if my income is a standard wage my tax payments are automatic. My employer deducts them from my wage and they are sent to the IRD (Our government tax dept). My student loan and super payments are also automatic. If there is anything wrong then at the end of the tax year I can file to correct things. I also get donations rebates, this is a one page form that lists all…

It's almost that simple in the US if your situation is that simple. What happens in NZ if you make $400 selling vintage cabbage patch dolls on eBay? What if you earned $1k in returns on your investment account? What if you are renting your place out on Airbnb? If all you have is a simple income in the US, then the 1040ez is a single page and you can file it for free online if you make under a certain amount. You can…

> you can file it for free online if you make under a certain amount.

Plus, tons of third-parties will file returns for free, even ones more complicated than 1040ez.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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The United States has a complicated tax code because it attempts to make things more "fair" for some people. Some of these are things people like, such as deductions for people with children, paying mortage, etc. Some are more dubious.

Why is it fair to give a deduction for mortgage? Buying a home instead of renting is just choosing to invest in real estate instead of anything else you might invest in. Why artificially subsidize one extremely illiquid and volatile type of investment?

One could argue that by subsidizing home ownership you redistribute profit from people that rent out housing to those that would have been renting that housing.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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You... love paying taxes?

Yes. I love paying taxes. Not because I like having less money in my bank account, but because I understand what paying taxes represents.

Me too, I intentionally don't undertake the tax saving procedures, let them take an extra $$ it will help in Nation building (hopefully).

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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Why is it fair to give a deduction for mortgage? Buying a home instead of renting is just choosing to invest in real estate instead of anything else you might invest in. Why artificially subsidize one extremely illiquid and volatile type of investment?

One could argue that by subsidizing home ownership you redistribute profit from people that rent out housing to those that would have been renting that housing.

Yes, and by the same logic, subsidizing buying Apple shares redistributes profit from people that make iPhones to people that buy them. Why don't we do that instead?

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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When I read this, unfortunately I'm thinking "don't hate the player, hate the game". Lobbying is a double-edged sword, and it is a game played very well by the powerful and the rich.

Lobbying only works because voters don't care about what they're voting for. You can always vote against the candidates who were lobbied into doing something you don't like, or lobbied at all. But the majority of voters can't do that - they insist on voting for the candidates with the most expensive advertising and forget about where that money comes from.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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A tangential issue: It seems almost impossible to me that the systems of tax preparation services, whether cloud-based, local software, or offline, are secure. The standard of security is, make the target more expensive to breach than it's worth to the attacker. How much would it be worth to have access to the tax returns of large swaths of the population? I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing it's easily worth b…

> I am very doubtful that Intuit or H&R Block, for example, invest in security sufficient to protect themselves against that level of attack. I can't speak to H&R Block, but I used to work for Intuit and I can attest that they took security very seriously. We were often subject to extreme security precautions despite the fact that the application I worked on didn't have any PII and the entire purpose of it was to mak…

Why would anyone build a data center to host tax software?

This is almost the cononcial / text book example of when you would opt to host on a cloud provider.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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It's almost that simple in the US if your situation is that simple. What happens in NZ if you make $400 selling vintage cabbage patch dolls on eBay? What if you earned $1k in returns on your investment account? What if you are renting your place out on Airbnb? If all you have is a simple income in the US, then the 1040ez is a single page and you can file it for free online if you make under a certain amount. You can…

In practice, the difference between US and other countries is still pretty big. In US, about 60 percent of individual tax returns are filed by a professional tax preparer, at every income level. People who owe no income tax still have to file tax returns to receive tax credits. In many other modern countries, _the_majority_ of the tax payers file no tax returns at all.

In India mostly people prepare their own tax statement. If you are a govt official then your taxes are auto deducted AFAIK, if you are working in pvt then there is less than a three step procedure if you are willing to do your statement yourself else upload form16 on a online site to pay tax. Mostly those who earn an awfully large income use tax professionals.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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I live in New Zealand. I don't have to file taxes if my income is a standard wage my tax payments are automatic. My employer deducts them from my wage and they are sent to the IRD (Our government tax dept). My student loan and super payments are also automatic. If there is anything wrong then at the end of the tax year I can file to correct things. I also get donations rebates, this is a one page form that lists all…

U.s. govt uses tax code to incentive behaviors. We have 1040ez which is almost as simple as the NZ system if citizens don't want or have any deductions.

Complexity counters incentives, though. Unless the only incentives you care about are the ones available to wealthy individuals and large corporations with tax lawyers. If you burry the incentive in a pile of complicated forms, it's not an efficient incentive anymore.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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I live in New Zealand. I don't have to file taxes if my income is a standard wage my tax payments are automatic. My employer deducts them from my wage and they are sent to the IRD (Our government tax dept). My student loan and super payments are also automatic. If there is anything wrong then at the end of the tax year I can file to correct things. I also get donations rebates, this is a one page form that lists all…

because far too many people vote against their own interest just so gay people can't get married, or transgenders using the right bathrooms or to stop the war on christmas or whatever fake crisis was invented for that election year.

It works the other way around as well. The left votes for social issues that upset the established cultural state, and which in the grand scheme of things will have minimal real impact (like transgender people using any specific bathroom). Social issues are a dividing force that occupies both sides of the spectrum, it's conveniently used as a means to divide and conquer. It's why most politicians will take on social issues as their political battle cry and shy away from issues that will impact financial markets. It's easier if you don't bite the hand that feeds you (wealthy donors).
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