My question: do I have a right to immigrate to your house?
Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
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Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're going to ask this question, then you might want also ask how would they had fared had Cuba and USSR succeeded in those places, it's not as though we don't have people fleeing post-USSR countries like Cuba, Georgia and Russia and Ukraine, etc. And how much is Russia taking in for their past internationalist activities? I think the answer in the current world political context should be obvious if we consider…
> If you're going to ask this question, then you might want also ask how would they had fared had Cuba and USSR succeeded in those places Better? Cuba, considering the embargo that fucked them twice over, is better off compared to most of the hell-holes intervention created in Latin America. Even as a dictatorship it's much more benign compared to people like Pinochet that was supported, put in place, and much belove…
I've been to Cuba twice. I disagree.
How many times have you been there?
Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you're going to ask this question, then you might want also ask how would they had fared had Cuba and USSR succeeded in those places Better? Cuba, considering the embargo that fucked them twice over, is better off compared to most of the hell-holes intervention created in Latin America. Even as a dictatorship it's much more benign compared to people like Pinochet that was supported, put in place, and much belove…
I've been to Cuba twice. I disagree. How many times have you been there?
It's not the relative number of times that counts.
You can live for years in a place and have the wrong impression about it. In fact, you can even be born in a place and leave there all your life and have and have the wrong impression about it. And you can also have historical reasons to disagree that don't apply to the general population (e.g. one's relatives being big-shots under the previous regime).
It's also easy to visit a place and just see what you wanted to see. Tourists traveling in utter misery do it all the time -- they have a great time, and people a few km from their hotel might be dying in slums.
I'm not saying that you did those things and I didn't. Just that measuring how many times more one has been there is not really relevant.
Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been to Cuba twice. I disagree. How many times have you been there?
It's not the relative number of times that counts. You can live for years in a place and have the wrong impression about it. In fact, you can even be born in a place and leave there all your life and have and have the wrong impression about it. And you can also have historical reasons to disagree that don't apply to the general population (e.g. one's relatives being big-shots under the previous regime). It's also eas…
Translation: you've been there zero times and only know what you've read from your Progressive news sources and Michael fucking Moore.
I went both times as part of a humanitarian mission to bring medical supplies. Cuba sucks. Great people. Horrible government.
Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not the relative number of times that counts. You can live for years in a place and have the wrong impression about it. In fact, you can even be born in a place and leave there all your life and have and have the wrong impression about it. And you can also have historical reasons to disagree that don't apply to the general population (e.g. one's relatives being big-shots under the previous regime). It's also eas…
Translation: you've been there zero times and only know what you've read from your Progressive news sources and Michael fucking Moore. I went both times as part of a humanitarian mission to bring medical supplies. Cuba sucks. Great people. Horrible government.
>Translation: you've been there zero times and only know what you've read from your Progressive news sources and Michael fucking Moore.
Not an American, not interested in Michael Moore -- there are actual historians and accounts not just pop culture, and I've visited several times (and a large number of other parts of the world too).
But the use of "progressive news" as some kind of bad source paints a picture.
Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#116Utopian fantasies aside, borders are what maintain our standard of living.
Is that true of the US/Canada border? I ask because it seems to work fine inside continental Europe to have open borders. Even opening up the eastern bloc hasn't had devastating consequences and instead leads more to normalization/improvements in underdeveloped areas.
Is that actually true though? I don't think I can just pack up my bags as a US citizen tomorrow and move to the EU.
Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what I never see addressed, and it certainly must be helping the "right wing" groups because it seems so obvious. Given a choice, the majority of the world would choose to move to Europe or North America. I'd bet if you polled, say, Guatemala, and offered everyone free residency and resettlement in the US, you'd have acceptance numbers over 80% at least. And a lot of the people choosing to stay would be those…
In my travels in third world countries, I've observed that the people are often tremendously proud of their national identity, and strongly connected with their culture. Emigrating is not a step people take lightly. Of course, if you take someone who's sick and starving and offer them a free lunch and medical care they're going to jump at the opportunity, but I am willing to bet that if in most cases they would prefe…
It is worth noting that the trend in migration from Mexico to the USA has actually reversed lately.
The only study that even claimed that misinterpreted the two studies that produced the raw numbers.
The inbound figures counted only working-age adults. It ignored all children and infants, including the huge number of unaccompanied infants.
The outbound figures counted everybody, including children and infants.
There was a net increase overall.
Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#118the most fundamental form of democracy is voting with your feet, and the passport regime has destroyed that. nationality is segregation.
No, nationality is property rights. Voting with your feet was not significant before passports as the masses were too poor to move (which is why nobody had passport systems to begin with).
I hadn't though of nationality as property rights, but it makes a ton of sense. Thank you.
Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is that true of the US/Canada border? I ask because it seems to work fine inside continental Europe to have open borders. Even opening up the eastern bloc hasn't had devastating consequences and instead leads more to normalization/improvements in underdeveloped areas.
Is that actually true though? I don't think I can just pack up my bags as a US citizen tomorrow and move to the EU.
Sorry for the confusion I mean movement within the EU as an EU national, and in turn, I was referring to the hypothetical open border between the US and Canada for their own nationals.
Re: Is There a Right to Immigrate? (2010)
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, do you think our current right-wing government will ban gay marriage?
If anything, they'll push it back to the states to decide. I put zero probability of a Federal ban on marriage equality. My friends on the left always push for universal, top down rulings on social issues. In reality, there are really good reasons historically for why groups move and congregate within the United States - they get better treatment and opportunity in different places. States rights is a safety net agai…
There is absolutely no defensible reason to not allow gay marriage. Who cares if some people have a religious reason for not approving of gay marriage? If they don't approve of it, don't do it. But freedom of religion should also be freedom from religion.