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How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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well, of course. imagine you are a business and the govmt could change a law and put you out of business. wouldn't you put as much money as you could into preventing that change? this is why money in politics causes problems...

It's an analogous situation to last week's news about Apple banning self-updating apps in the App Store and Rollout.io's business model. Except that had the opposite outcome.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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post #6

I have a better idea. Simplify the tax code so anyone can do theirs on an index card. There is absolutely no reason for the gargantuan tax code in a free society.

The problem is that every individual provision is popular with one group or another. But we could move to a system like the UK has where taxes are calculated for you and if you don't have contractor income you don't even need to file. But this would need changes to things like the Married Filing Jointly status.

How about the IRS calculates, you click OK if you agree, and if you don't, you're free to file? (Maybe this is how the UK system works; I've only done American and Canadian.)

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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post #9

well, of course. imagine you are a business and the govmt could change a law and put you out of business. wouldn't you put as much money as you could into preventing that change? this is why money in politics causes problems...

Same old same old: show me a doctor who doesn't want you to be sick. Show me a lawyer who doesn't want you to get in trouble with law. Show me a priest who doesn't want you to sin. It just blows my mind up to what degree TurboTax will go with this!

Doctors already have more patients than they can handle, that's why they work such crazy shifts.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

#15
I always love reading absurd statements made by otherwise reasonable people who - of course - a salary depends on being unreasonable.

Here:

> Intuit argues that allowing the IRS to act as a tax preparer could result in taxpayers paying more money.

Majority of work will be done automatically by some free jQuery and PHP scripts (hello Obamacare website) and taxpayers have only shell-out initial cost. Even if TurboTax is $19 per year, I have a hard time believing that 200MM tax payers X $19 will be less than running an enterprise servers for online consumers.

> [...] "STOP IRS TAKEOVER" campaign and a website calling return-free filing a "massive expansion of the U.S. government through a big government program."

I honestly laugh at this one. Just exactly which part of information that IRS process is not already in the IRS possession? With that statement -- they really reach out for the dumbest people hearing them out.

> Explaining the company's stance, Intuit spokeswoman Miller told the Los Angeles Times in 2006 that it was "a fundamental conflict of interest for the state's tax collector and enforcer to also become people's tax preparer."

I have to place a call to intuit maybe they will sponsor my idea that I should fill out and asses my own respondibility when it comes to a parking ticket. I mean you cannot trust the government that they will be fair to you - so I should get note "you violated parking zone - fill out this form and return to us with own assessment of your penalty". Gosh imagine wild wild west we would be living in if you stretch it to criminal law.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

#16

slightly off topic, but... you can file for free using any number of tax prep software if you make less than ~64k a year: https://www.irs.gov/uac/free-file-do-your-federal-taxes-for-...

You can file for free at any income level; you just get software assistance if you make less than a certain amount. I file with Free File Fillable Forms, which does the calculations for me, I just have to be comfortable filling in the inputs to the form (and I'm paranoid enough that I want to be reading the form and its instructions anyway). But I don't have complicated deductions... or at least, I don't think I do.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

#17
post #9

well, of course. imagine you are a business and the govmt could change a law and put you out of business. wouldn't you put as much money as you could into preventing that change? this is why money in politics causes problems...

Same old same old: show me a doctor who doesn't want you to be sick. Show me a lawyer who doesn't want you to get in trouble with law. Show me a priest who doesn't want you to sin. It just blows my mind up to what degree TurboTax will go with this!

I've never met a doctor who wants people to be sick. I'm sure they're out there, but the great majority wants to help people, and would gladly be put out of business.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

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post #6

I have a better idea. Simplify the tax code so anyone can do theirs on an index card. There is absolutely no reason for the gargantuan tax code in a free society.

The problem is that every individual provision is popular with one group or another. But we could move to a system like the UK has where taxes are calculated for you and if you don't have contractor income you don't even need to file. But this would need changes to things like the Married Filing Jointly status.

Married filing jointly is one of the more sexist things codified in US law. It basically says women make no money and the man has to provide for everyone with a big salary so deductions and credits for the big earner. Or it says that if you're a dual income bunch of shmucks, that your wife must make 80% of what you do.

Think about when these laws were written and look at it through a historical context. Once you do, it will outrage even the most even keeled.

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

#19

the deep cynicism here is how people think Turbo tax is doing a pubic service by making taxes easier and cheaper, that's how effective their marketing is. Convince the public there is a problem that only said company can solve.

Paying TurboTax $59.99 is cheaper than going to H&R Block and paying a tax preparer $169

Re: How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing (2013)

#20

I always love reading absurd statements made by otherwise reasonable people who - of course - a salary depends on being unreasonable. Here: > Intuit argues that allowing the IRS to act as a tax preparer could result in taxpayers paying more money. Majority of work will be done automatically by some free jQuery and PHP scripts (hello Obamacare website) and taxpayers have only shell-out initial cost. Even if TurboTax i…

> I honestly laugh at this one. Just exactly which part of information that IRS process is not already in the IRS possession? With that statement -- they really reach out for the dumbest people hearing them out.

They won't have data from people who are self-employed. That said, neither does TurboTax so there's no difference here based on their argument, just as you said.

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