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Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

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Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for argument's sake... Do you think the greater good would be served by protecting that politician's privacy, and that of several dozen school teachers who also carried that set of genes? Or would society be better off if the politician and the teachers were subjected to greater scrutiny, leading to some percentage of them being removed when discovered to be actual pedophiles? This isn't meant as rhetorical, and…

“Whatever the chain of events is, the chain begins before birth,” said James M. Cantor, a University of Toronto professor of psychiatry whose research team has made a series of startling correlations finding that pedophiles are likely to share physical attributes, such as slightly lower IQs, shorter body height, left-handedness and less brain tissue. [1] See, we don't even need genetic tests. Just don't hire left-han…

The hypothetical "pedo gene" is probably too emotionally charged; some may find it difficult to engage rationally as a result.

Suppose instead there were a gene found which caused a toxic reaction in some children. Some, but not all, children exposed to these substances might sicken or even die.

I suspect that in such a scenario, if the evidence showing correlation was compelling - you would be OK with mandating testing, and separating children from contact with known carriers of the gene - at least until it could be better understood and/or treated, cured, the harm mitigated, or what have you.

I would further suggest that if YOU were discovered to be a carrier of the gene, that you yourself would probably feel an obligation to self-report and avoid any contact with children, so as to prevent any accidental exposure and harm.

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for argument's sake... Do you think the greater good would be served by protecting that politician's privacy, and that of several dozen school teachers who also carried that set of genes? Or would society be better off if the politician and the teachers were subjected to greater scrutiny, leading to some percentage of them being removed when discovered to be actual pedophiles? This isn't meant as rhetorical, and…

The other point here you're missing is that these genetic test won't accurately predict acts of pedophilia. But they will be misconstrued and misrepresented as if they do. How would you like to be identified with a gene that's associated with a 10% more likely incidence of pedophilia? What would that even mean?

See my other question below. If there were a 10% chance that children who were exposed to your presence might sicken and die from a toxic reaction to your sweat, would you take steps to avoid any such contact? Would it be wrong to prevent you from working in schools?

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

#43

If this had been required back when I got my first job, I would've learned that my wife and I are carriers of a rare genetic disorder, and it would've saved the sadness and pain of my wife having delivering stillborn twins. My wife is still dealing with medical issues years later because of this. The pain was indescribable. Furthermore, as an employer myself, I can't for the life of me understand or comprehend how on…

Conflating a personal matter with something required is inappropriate no matter your tangentally related situation.

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

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post #40

Companies already want to drug test employees... Which I feel shows you don't trust them. Which some companies make you stand in front of someone watching you pee. When there's less invasive methods such as a spit or hair sample(Maybe they cost more to use or somthing?). Now they want to do genetic testing? Well my aunt's work does somthing like this, if you get your blood checked once a year you get a discount, but…

companies can make you sign all kinds of waivers when giving employment. shits fucked up

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No downsides. Please post your complete medical history, financial transactions, porn history here so we can evaluate your fitness for your next job.

Don't worry, the public is perfectly competent to draw relevant conclusions from that information too.

Hmmmm... perhaps maybe some privacy might be called for then?

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

#46

I interviewed a couple years ago with a startup that was a commercial and research leader in personalized medicine with a portfolio of patent-protected genetic tests. After a laughably bad interview, I looked a little deeper into their business model. A little Googling revealed the real business model was to convince doctors and medical groups to order these tests and pass the costs along to insurance companies and M…

Are 23andMe tests useless? Don't get me wrong, I am just curious about it.

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

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This is based on theory of 'wellness': the insurance company / employer should take a holistic approach to health. Which seems like an obviously good idea, but research has shown that in practice it doesn't save money or lives.

So they are doubling down on a disproven theory to invade people's privacy. Hat trick to the GOP House if they can pull this nonsense off.

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

#48

If this had been required back when I got my first job, I would've learned that my wife and I are carriers of a rare genetic disorder, and it would've saved the sadness and pain of my wife having delivering stillborn twins. My wife is still dealing with medical issues years later because of this. The pain was indescribable. Furthermore, as an employer myself, I can't for the life of me understand or comprehend how on…

Conflating a personal matter with something required is inappropriate no matter your tangentally related situation.

Your comment is incredibly insensitive and unkind. I sincerely hope that if I were to tell you what happened to our family face-to-face, you would not have responded in this way.

I was assuming that it would be a worthwhile anecdote to share, given that most people appear to find it unnecessary to get tested. If one person on the Internet reads my comment, decides to get tested, and finds they are a carrier of a severe genetic abnormality and avoids delivering a stillborn child, I frankly don't give a shit how "inappropriate" it is.

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

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If this had been required back when I got my first job, I would've learned that my wife and I are carriers of a rare genetic disorder, and it would've saved the sadness and pain of my wife having delivering stillborn twins. My wife is still dealing with medical issues years later because of this. The pain was indescribable. Furthermore, as an employer myself, I can't for the life of me understand or comprehend how on…

I'm very sorry for your loss.

> I can't for the life of me understand or comprehend how one would discriminate against someone based on what genes they have.

Did you really mean to say "how" or did you mean "why"? Because the "why" is that if you have investors (at least in the U.S.) then you have a fiduciary duty to them to maximize their return by all legal means at your disposal. You do not have a fiduciary duty to your employees. So if you can increase profits by discriminating against employees who are more likely to be sick then you have no choice but to either do it or break your fiduciary duty to your investors. You could actually be sued if you don't.

> What are you going to do? Block them from leading a project since they test positive for XYZ Type A? Or getting a promotion because they're carriers of ALS?

Yes. Exactly. And then hope they quit. Or, if you're in an at-will state, you could just fire them.

Please note that I am not endorsing this system. I think it sucks. But that's the way things currently are in the U.S.

Re: Employees who decline genetic testing could face penalties under proposed bill

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Isn't this exactly the premise of the movie Gattaca? Great movie, BTW.

IMO Gattaca makes a great case for genetic testing. An idiot with a major heart condition bluffs his way onto a space mission where he's likely to die and endanger the rest of the crew. If the testing had been a bit more thorough (say, if the doctor in charge of testing had done his job) then the mission wouldn't have been endangered.

It's strange to see everyone hold up this movie as an argument against this sort of testing.

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