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Is this just an opinion, or do you have any data on this?
Opinion. I mean we tell kids to be wary of strangers, but we can't assign a policeman to every stranger. Easier to teach people that they can be deceived or that bad things can happen, than to prevent any deception or bad thing from ever occurring.
I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
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Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
#142Does anyone else see as problem that web browsers are getting so feature-rich? That means that if anyone wants to write a new web browser he won't be able to.
>Does anyone else see as problem that web browsers are getting so feature-rich? No. It would be a shame if software were forced to be only ever be simple enough for a single programmer to trivially reproduce. We would never have gotten past the terminal in that case. > That means that if anyone wants to write a new web browser he won't be able to Anyone can, they just need a lot of domain knowledge and time. They can…
Of course it is good to have browsers supporting more and more features. I'm totally for "the web" against "the native" thing. I hope all "native apps" die in a fire and everything starts being written to run in browsers, as everything gets faster and better.
I just commented about a serious drawback of all this. I don't know what would be a solution, however, or if there's need for a solution.
Of course anyone can if they have domain knowledge and time. Anyone could have built a web browser 50,000 years ago if they had knowledge and time.
Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this just an opinion, or do you have any data on this?
Opinion. I mean we tell kids to be wary of strangers, but we can't assign a policeman to every stranger. Easier to teach people that they can be deceived or that bad things can happen, than to prevent any deception or bad thing from ever occurring.
Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
#144> Today marks 28 years since I submitted my original proposal for the worldwide web. I imagined the web as an open platform that would allow everyone, everywhere to share information , access opportunities, and collaborate across geographic and cultural boundaries. Seems to me that the above and the points raised in point 2 sit on opposite sides of the spectrum. Either you get a free and open internet where everyone…
The democratic nature of physical reality hasn't led to every publication turning into the National Enquirer.
Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
#145As much as I'd love to help projects like IPFS (for example), truth is that most people simply don't care and are entirely clueless on the impact of the continued centralization and surveillance of the Internet on their lives. Sitting with random people on a table, they giggle and smirk saying "I've got nothing to hide, you're too paranoid, bro, cheer up!" and I quickly give up. They have zero idea about how much inf…
truth is that most people simply don't care and are entirely clueless on the impact of the continued centralization and surveillance of the Internet on their lives That's a common assumption, but I wonder how true it really is. I've certainly talked with friends in their 20s and maybe early 30s -- people who have grown up with the Internet and ubiquitous mobile devices -- and had them express a sentiment that was mor…
I'd argue that how did the modern people end up indifferent to the growing centralization and surveillance is largely irrelevant. The sad result is still there. We all have anecdotal evidence and mine isn't more important than yours -- that's a fact. My point is that the result is still there and it's not changing for the better with time.
> It used to be common that your ISP would provide you with an email address, web hosting, and so on as part of your package.
But those required tech expertise in order to be utilized. It's my view that ISPs stopped offering these because they were expenses, and the services these expenses offered were barely if ever used than more of 1-2% of their customers. If we have a "magical box" at home it should definitely be much farther ahead in terms of user-friendliness; say, WordPress / Ghost / any-site-tech with a wizard-like Next->Next->Next cycle (with some checkboxes / theme previews along the way).
> We just have to stop doing so much through a tiny number of centralised service providers and social networks, and develop standards for interoperability and federation.
I want you to know that I am 100% on your side first. But honestly, using the "just" word for these mega challenges is slightly naive.
First of all, most people hate the thought of "scouring through the net" for their news or daily fix of meaningless updates. There's a very good reason why the social networks are a successful format and that's not only because of corporate interests -- people like having only one source, it makes it simple for them and they love it. You and I disagree, but we don't speak for humanity at large, and the humanity at large seems to love to have a narrower view.
Secondly, advertisement supports a large part of the internet. I don't believe for a second that a serious decentralization effort will not be SABOTAGED by ad providers (maybe even including Google). They'll most likely plant paid trolls and fake news writers and then start shouting: "LOOK! DECENTRALIZATION IS BAD! Come back to us at Google, we have AI-backed fact checking!" OK, let me put my tinfoil hat away. Even if that never happens (that's a stretch IMO) we still have thousands of ad companies who will do their damnest to make their centralized website customers (namely Facebook et al) even more appealing than before and try to make the decentralized services look behind with the times, non-trendy, slow, user-unfriendly or whatever -- so the teenagers and the young people would continue to flock to them. In short, there's a lot of economical inertia behind the centralization and it won't be easy to kill it because there's a lot of financial interest there and the people holding such amounts of capital historically have never given up their wealth sources peacefully.
Thirdly, standards for interoperability and federation are attempted for probably decades now. I am not an expert in the field -- not in these standards, and not in the ego wars in the OSS communities -- but it's my opinion the pissing contests in the OSS communities are a huge impediment. Have you taken a look at the KDE / GNOME wars years ago? It's as shameful piece of the human history as any genocide; I'd even dare saying it's much more shameful because there are no lives on the line, not even any money on the line, just some basement dweller's ego and nothing else.
If we're to be able to resist centralization and surveillance, us the people who are against it absolutely positively must forgo any ego and become very scientific; there's already a pretty good consensus about most of what a decentralized hosting service must do (reference: see IPFS; seriously, do it, it'll take you a long time but IMO you'll emerge even better informed than before) but when it gets to the details, people either start flaming each other, or a dictator of an OSS project decides they don't care what any random person thinks and just moves forward without any scrutiny or feedback consideration.
This must stop. The agents who benefit from the centralization and surveillance are without a doubt dying of laughter how us "the opponents" are much more busy fighting amongst each other instead of coming together as one and offering an open and ad-free alternative to their services.
Finally, laws, EU or otherwise, sorry to say it bluntly, don't amount for shit. History has proven that if a big player has deep enough pockets then they'll get things their way, laws or not. Let's not go there. I think deep down all of us know the laws target the citizens and not the companies, 99.9% of the time.
Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
#146Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
#147> Today marks 28 years since I submitted my original proposal for the worldwide web. I imagined the web as an open platform that would allow everyone, everywhere to share information , access opportunities, and collaborate across geographic and cultural boundaries. Seems to me that the above and the points raised in point 2 sit on opposite sides of the spectrum. Either you get a free and open internet where everyone…
In my opinion, what's needed are privacy and freedom. And education for independent thought, rather than censorship.
Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
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I don't see this getting better. In fact, I think the next big trick in web browsers will be to embed a full-blown GUI widget toolkit, so you can run what would effectively be a Visual Basic 6.0-type program, directly in the browser, allowing you to bypass all the HTML5/CSS/JS layers we slather on top of whatever framework we're using to make it approach the same UX as a desktop app. It's going to take even more band…
Can pretty much do all that in a Java applet, and have been able to for a long time.
Meet the new boss: same as the old boss, but now you have to learn to deal with them all over again. :-(
Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can pretty much do all that in a Java applet, and have been able to for a long time.
Java applets are not supported anymore anywhere, I think.
Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it
#150It's interesting that one of the great things about the web is the promise of it distributed nature, and yet his prescribed 'fix' for misinformation sounds like the establishment of some sort of central authority to regulate content.
"We must push back against misinformation by encouraging gatekeepers such as Google and Facebook to continue their efforts to combat the problem, while avoiding the creation of any central bodies to decide what is “true” or not."