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Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

#21

My engineering school deliver engineers diploma certified by the Engineering Titles Commission, which is the only thing in France able to allow a school to make engineers out of its students. Thank you goodbye, do not make generalizations from how it is in your country.

It's the Atlantic, of course they will take about the U.S. unless eplicitly mentioned otherwise.

Is the French software engineering diploma as rigorous as other engineering diplomas?

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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While I don't much like software developers calling themselves engineers either, it was hard not to read this and think that about a week ago I was reading all about a dam that seemed poised to fail and thousands of people had to be evacuated; or about a miracle of engineering, a skyscraper in SF that appears to be sinking ( https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/san-francisco-millenni... or, oh, here's an entire Wiki…

Engineers have a way of falling on their swords when they #$%^ up that (at least in my experience) tech bros don't...

http://www.theolympian.com/news/local/article42065382.html

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

#25

My engineering school deliver engineers diploma certified by the Engineering Titles Commission, which is the only thing in France able to allow a school to make engineers out of its students. Thank you goodbye, do not make generalizations from how it is in your country.

It's almost the same in Quebec and I believe everywhere in Canada. Thanks for making this point clear!

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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post #8

While I don't much like software developers calling themselves engineers either, it was hard not to read this and think that about a week ago I was reading all about a dam that seemed poised to fail and thousands of people had to be evacuated; or about a miracle of engineering, a skyscraper in SF that appears to be sinking ( https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/san-francisco-millenni... or, oh, here's an entire Wiki…

What about failures in medical software, airplane safety software, or military software?

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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post #8

While I don't much like software developers calling themselves engineers either, it was hard not to read this and think that about a week ago I was reading all about a dam that seemed poised to fail and thousands of people had to be evacuated; or about a miracle of engineering, a skyscraper in SF that appears to be sinking ( https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/san-francisco-millenni... or, oh, here's an entire Wiki…

There are a number of well known software bugs that killed people. For example the Therac-25 is mentioned in every software engineering course.

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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post #8

While I don't much like software developers calling themselves engineers either, it was hard not to read this and think that about a week ago I was reading all about a dam that seemed poised to fail and thousands of people had to be evacuated; or about a miracle of engineering, a skyscraper in SF that appears to be sinking ( https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/san-francisco-millenni... or, oh, here's an entire Wiki…

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Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

#30

I call myself a Software Engineer specifically because I see it as different to being a programmer. I don't just write code, I try to solve problems in a rigorous and maintainable way, while being aware of the wider implications of my work to the business, our customers, and anyone else who might be affected by it. Sure we don't have the same regulation as civil engineers, but I try to do my work in the same spirit.…

This misses the point that all other types of engineering are regulated and licensed.
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