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Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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> It undermines a long tradition of designing and building infrastructure in the public interest.

The author should know that the word engineer comes from the military.

> The term engineering itself has a much more recent etymology, deriving from the word engineer, which itself dates back to 1325, when an engine’er (literally, one who operates an engine) originally referred to "a constructor of military engines."

(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_engineering)

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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I recently visited Berlin to research about the German Freelance Visa [1] after being rejected by multiple local startups that were looking for Software Engineers with +3 years of work experience. I asked for feedback to one of them and was told that I should not consider myself an "engineer" because I don't have an university degree in the field, even with +9 years of work experience. I asked more people about the topic and most of them agreed that I should call myself a Software Developer instead since I am self-taught. What do you think about it?

EDIT: To add a bit more, I don't mind the title, you always end up doing more or less the same things, many companies love the titles though. Some of my friends have titles like "Lead Developer", "Senior Software Engineer", "CTO", "Back-End Developer", etc and they all do pretty much the same thing that I do, so I don't see the point on nitpicking my resume. I will surely take the advice and start calling myself a "Software Developer" instead of "Software Engineer" because I agree that calling myself an engineer without a formal education is misleading.

[1] https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/305249/en/

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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I recently visited Berlin to research about the German Freelance Visa [1] after being rejected by multiple local startups that were looking for Software Engineers with +3 years of work experience. I asked for feedback to one of them and was told that I should not consider myself an "engineer" because I don't have an university degree in the field, even with +9 years of work experience. I asked more people about the t…

Title to me doesnt matter. I dont have degree either .Software arena moved to quick with lots of framework and new platform mobile. Most university will teach basic and some lecturer dont even understand what they teach at all.

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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While I don't much like software developers calling themselves engineers either, it was hard not to read this and think that about a week ago I was reading all about a dam that seemed poised to fail and thousands of people had to be evacuated; or about a miracle of engineering, a skyscraper in SF that appears to be sinking (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/san-francisco-millenni... or, oh, here's an entire Wikipedia page just for structural collapses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_structural_failures_an...

My point, if I have one, is that Ashley Madison getting hacked (specifically mentioned in the article) was a pretty embarrassing calamity, sure, but I don't think anyone died as a result of a lack of proper collaboration and regulation in software development.

Re: Programmers should not call themselves engineers (2015)

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Engineers are people who hold engineering degrees. I'm not sure how it became otherwise.

Engineers are people who build and operate engines. I'm not sure how it became otherwise.

Computers are people who add together table of math facts to be used in artillery calculations. Not sure how it became otherwise.
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