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California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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Re: California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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$30,000 a year "poverty" https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-p... "more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day."

Maybe try restating your point in units of food and shelter. Dollars have no intrinsic value.

So perhaps move those poor americans to the third world. They'll feel like top 1% with those dollars.

Re: California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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$30,000 a year "poverty" https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-p... "more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day."

As with everything in life, context matters.

Context, yes. They can tell me about how they are struggling to make ends meet because of their two car payments and interest only mortgage. That's totally the same as having your kids die from diarrhea, because they get their drinking water straight out of a dirty river and you don't have access to simple medications.

Re: California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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Maybe try restating your point in units of food and shelter. Dollars have no intrinsic value.

So perhaps move those poor americans to the third world. They'll feel like top 1% with those dollars.

Please don't - here in India we don't need a bunch of people too lazy to make their way in America.

Re: California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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> immigration from e.g. Mexico to the US often causes the poverty rate in both countries to rise Both countries? How's that work if it's poor Mexicans coming here?

Fun fact: most immigrants from Mexico are not poor-relative-to-Mexico.

Are we talking about immigrants or "immigrants"? I seriously doubt the immigrants of the illegal -- excuse me, "undocumented" -- variety are anything but poor. That's the reason the Mexican government is so eager to keep the whole thing going -- they get to simultaneously foist their poor upon the US while said poor send back billions in remittances. It's a major industry for Mexico, believe it or not.

Re: California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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Americans waste enough food to end world hunger http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35884-on-the-news-with-th...

This is a meaningless metric. Food can't be magically shipped to the regions that need it. A better measurement would be waste per capita or farm land utilization.

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Fun fact: most immigrants from Mexico are not poor-relative-to-Mexico.

Are we talking about immigrants or "immigrants"? I seriously doubt the immigrants of the illegal -- excuse me, "undocumented" -- variety are anything but poor. That's the reason the Mexican government is so eager to keep the whole thing going -- they get to simultaneously foist their poor upon the US while said poor send back billions in remittances. It's a major industry for Mexico, believe it or not.

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Re: California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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Maybe try restating your point in units of food and shelter. Dollars have no intrinsic value.

So perhaps move those poor americans to the third world. They'll feel like top 1% with those dollars.

That's basically the history of South Africa.

A regular income person is a millionaire in South Africa. It caused some problems.

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So perhaps move those poor americans to the third world. They'll feel like top 1% with those dollars.

Please don't - here in India we don't need a bunch of people too lazy to make their way in America.

You could probably use their money though, no?

Re: California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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As with everything in life, context matters.

Context, yes. They can tell me about how they are struggling to make ends meet because of their two car payments and interest only mortgage. That's totally the same as having your kids die from diarrhea, because they get their drinking water straight out of a dirty river and you don't have access to simple medications.

The problem is that in countries where you can survive on $2/day, you can also largely squat where you want and scrounge crude shelter whilst begging for food.

You can't do any of that in California, in any reliable way... and in many parts of the state, $30k/yr just isn't enough to rent an apartment and cover the basics (food, transport, medical care). So yes, the poor in the US are both better and worse off than poor in the developing world.

Re: California has the USA’s highest poverty rate, when factoring in cost-of-living

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Americans waste enough food to end world hunger http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35884-on-the-news-with-th...

This is a meaningless metric. Food can't be magically shipped to the regions that need it. A better measurement would be waste per capita or farm land utilization.

The other thing of course to remember is just shipping food out of the US and into the developing world is how you break local farming economies. Who wants to buy food from the local farmer when there's ample free food from relief programs.

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