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Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by lqdc13 »

icebraining wrote: post #28
lqdc13 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used the vimium for chrome, vimfx for firefox and they both have similar problems: 1) Impossible to navigate some sites 2) Slows down the browser to a crawl over time Generally, not a usable long-term solution

I use Vimperator, never noticed any slowdown effect. Why would that even happen? It's true that some sites are harder to navigate, though.

I used vimperator and experienced crazy slowdown on Firefox in both OSX and Ubuntu. This happens after you browse for a while. Wasn't sure why initially. Things improved dramatically after reinstalling the addon. But I had to do it frequently so it wasn't worth it.

I think it's because things are saved in history for a long time or history chain of sites in a tab is very long.

Edit: Only extension that is vim-like that hasn't let me down is cvim for chromium/chrome.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by bbarn »

WesleyJohnson wrote: post #35

I've never understood the sentiment that using a mouse is bad. I see blog posts all the time about how a programmer's job is more thinking than writing code and/or writing good programs is also about taking out just as much code as you put in. So if writing programs is a deliberate and methodical process that - I'd argue it's also slow. Why then is there antithesis that mice slow you down and you need keyboard shortc…

I'm of a similar opinion. I grew up watching my mother have surgery on both of her wrists for what used to be called carpal-tunnel syndrome and now is just called repetitive strain injury. I've spent probably triple the time by 38 years old that she had in front of a computer, full time developing software, on a standard, non ergo keyboard which is nearly the same (even has clicky button switches!) as the one from her era.

But I've got a mouse too. I use it all the time. It breaks up the repetitive in RSI. I think this is a good thing. We're not all trying to break the record in Mavis Beacon anymore. Most developers agree productivity is not measured in lines of code and yet some seem to still insist that a few seconds at most to move their hands and use the mouse is hurting them somehow.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by molecule »

detaro wrote: post #54
gwu78 wrote: post #41

If I could upvote this, I would. Text-only browser (no Javascript) means I cannot upvote. This might be an unpopular opinion, but it is one based in real experience: If you can ditch the mouse, then you can ditch the GUI. I have not used a mouse on my personal computers in over 20 years. This transition started as an experiment when I was sitting in an airport with a laptop back in the late 90's. Remember those tiny…

If I could upvote this, I would. No Javascript means I cannot upvote. ? HN is oldfashioned enough that JS on vote buttons is progressive enhancement, not required.

It looks like the issue is the text-browser aspect, not the no-javascript aspect, there's no text displayed in the upvote anchor:

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by H4CK3RM4N »

inetknght wrote: post #71
gwu78 wrote: post #41

If I could upvote this, I would. Text-only browser (no Javascript) means I cannot upvote. This might be an unpopular opinion, but it is one based in real experience: If you can ditch the mouse, then you can ditch the GUI. I have not used a mouse on my personal computers in over 20 years. This transition started as an experiment when I was sitting in an airport with a laptop back in the late 90's. Remember those tiny…

I applaud you, good sir. I've used Mac OS (classic) since a child, Windows since a teenager, and OS X sometimes at certain jobs. My most recent job rather forced me to use Linux... and now I find myself wishing for less and less GUI and more and more TUI. Command lines really are far more intuitive to me than any GUI has been; my workflow in a software terminal is far more productive than any GUI application has ever…

Just fyi, it's CLI not TUI.

Also, I find macOS generally seems to be pretty good for keyboard-based navigation(especially with BetterTouchTool).

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by throwaway91111 »

WesleyJohnson wrote: post #35

I've never understood the sentiment that using a mouse is bad. I see blog posts all the time about how a programmer's job is more thinking than writing code and/or writing good programs is also about taking out just as much code as you put in. So if writing programs is a deliberate and methodical process that - I'd argue it's also slow. Why then is there antithesis that mice slow you down and you need keyboard shortc…

I agree to some point; I don't think keyboard shortcuts are worth learning.

Unless it's part of your "inner loop" of productivity; investing there yields high yields in terms of translating thoughts to actions.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by kalleboo »

Koshkin wrote: post #74

Interestingly enough, there has been an opposite trend, in software engineering, to have the user rely on the mouse for pretty much everything except typing text. One curious example is Plan 9's text editor called Acme , where to perform certain actions you even have to click more than one mouse button simultaneously, a.k.a.'chords'. (I am not sure how long an average mouse would be able to withstand this kind of abu…

When I'm web browsing, I never take my hand off the trackpad. I have a suite of custom gestures set up for tab management etc that mean that most of the time I'm not even moving the cursor.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by gwu78 »

molecule wrote: post #83
detaro wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could upvote this, I would. No Javascript means I cannot upvote. ? HN is oldfashioned enough that JS on vote buttons is progressive enhancement, not required.

It looks like the issue is the text-browser aspect, not the no-javascript aspect, there's no text displayed in the upvote anchor:

I constructed a proper URL and submitted an upvote.

upvote" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/vote?id=13847301&how=up&auth=f4...

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by techwizrd »

Jerry2 wrote: post #16

After I discovered extensions/addons for vim-like control of browsers few years ago, I've completely changed how I browse the web. I rarely even use the mouse anymore. Only when I want to save an image or save a file (from a misconfigured server that doesn't auto-download) do I still use a mouse. For everything else, you simply don't need a mouse at all. My favorites: vimari - Safari port of vimium: https://guyht.git…

I use VimFX and Vimium daily. They're wonderful addons, and I browsing would be much more unpleasant without them.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by orionblastar »

I have worked in IT a long time. I learned during the 1980s as a teenager with a Commodore 64 at home and Apple 2 and IBM PCs at high school. This was before the GUI. Everything was text based and shortcut keys.

I remember people claiming that the GUI makes people lazy and dumber. There was an article called "Does the Mac make you stupid?" At the time were they split an English class in two and half used a Mac and the other half a DOS PC. The students who used the Mac had made more errors and got lower scores than those who used the PC. Then the students switched places and computers and those who used the PC had higher scores and the Mac lower scores. It was a big debate and flame war on the BBSes at the time.

http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~lrm22/technology/stupidmac.html

It was a MacWorld article I scanned to a PDF one time but lost it. I had photocopies from 1990 that I scanned in a few years ago or so.

Keyboard shortcuts can speed up work but to a user who is not computer savvy they need the mouse and GUI.

As a programmer my goal always was to make things easier for the user where they don't have to think to use my UI UX etc that it is intuitive.

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