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I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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> Imagine that Big Brother scenario extended to the millions of smart devices such as digital thermostats and fire alarms feeding the Internet of Things ecosystem, and you have a problem that could eviscerate the privacy of billions of people, say security experts. Is this anything but opportunistic scare-mongering? "Spy agency own spy tools. Wouldn't it be scary if they used them on you?!?!?"

"Wouldn't it be scary if..." is different than being provably known to do/use/abuse.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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The marketplace won't sort out the security issues, any more than it sorted out unstable banks. Consumers lack the ability to obtain information, understand the issues, and make good decisions.

Computer systems should be regulated for safety, which includes confidentiality and integrity, like everything else.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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I would truly love a new "web" which is effectively style-free. I think the existing one is fine to continue for the general public, online shopping, social networks, etc.. but a parallel information-dense system that uses ultra light weight browsers that work on every device and platform, accessing machine-readable data with some standard stylesheet that concentrates in readability, and the "good" bits of the modern…

This type of "web" would run perfectly over encrypted networks as well since it would carry much less data. It would solve the problem of cluttered/fluffy web and insecure/easily-surveilled communications. Being realistic though, this would only serve highly functional computer users seeking simplicity and privacy. A lot of internet users view "beautiful" webpages as a display of trustworthiness and importance. And t…

> A lot of internet users view "beautiful" webpages as a display of trustworthiness and importance.

Not so much. A lot of web users like simple, predictable pages. Flyout menus spazzing all over the page, giant headers breaking the space bar, and obscure hamburgers hiding useful features just confuse and annoy people who don't know about CSS element blocking.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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I would truly love a new "web" which is effectively style-free. I think the existing one is fine to continue for the general public, online shopping, social networks, etc.. but a parallel information-dense system that uses ultra light weight browsers that work on every device and platform, accessing machine-readable data with some standard stylesheet that concentrates in readability, and the "good" bits of the modern…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_(protocol)

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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I would truly love a new "web" which is effectively style-free. I think the existing one is fine to continue for the general public, online shopping, social networks, etc.. but a parallel information-dense system that uses ultra light weight browsers that work on every device and platform, accessing machine-readable data with some standard stylesheet that concentrates in readability, and the "good" bits of the modern…

That what we already had/have.

How is that different from anything you can already do?

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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I would truly love a new "web" which is effectively style-free. I think the existing one is fine to continue for the general public, online shopping, social networks, etc.. but a parallel information-dense system that uses ultra light weight browsers that work on every device and platform, accessing machine-readable data with some standard stylesheet that concentrates in readability, and the "good" bits of the modern…

That what we already had/have. How is that different from anything you can already do?

The difference is that the author doesn't realize nobody else wants this, or people would be styling their sites like that.

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I would truly love a new "web" which is effectively style-free. I think the existing one is fine to continue for the general public, online shopping, social networks, etc.. but a parallel information-dense system that uses ultra light weight browsers that work on every device and platform, accessing machine-readable data with some standard stylesheet that concentrates in readability, and the "good" bits of the modern…

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I would truly love a new "web" which is effectively style-free. I think the existing one is fine to continue for the general public, online shopping, social networks, etc.. but a parallel information-dense system that uses ultra light weight browsers that work on every device and platform, accessing machine-readable data with some standard stylesheet that concentrates in readability, and the "good" bits of the modern…

I work on Beaker Browser. Version 0.7 will have markdown sites. Here's what that looks like: https://twitter.com/pfrazee/status/840228255529590784 If you ask a layman to differentiate between "the browser" and Facebook, they might not know the difference. In a lot of ways, Facebook is a browser for a set of content types like posts, videos, business pages, etc. Same logic applies to say YouTube: it's a specialized "s…

Thanks for the reminder to try out Beaker! It looks like a really cool project and I hope you find success with it.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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That what we already had/have. How is that different from anything you can already do?

The difference is that the author doesn't realize nobody else wants this, or people would be styling their sites like that.

The rise of "readability" features appears to differ with your assessment.
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