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Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by pix64 »

ryandrake wrote: post #53
blunte wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An old-schooler would be the one asking, "why do I need a mouse?" Anyway, it sounds like you're asking, "Why are keyboard shortcuts faster than moving a mouse to a location and then clicking [and potentially having to move to another location, such as the menu that just dropped down, and clicking again]?" Does this really need an answer?

You forgot even more inefficiency: Lifting your hand off the keyboard and moving it to the mouse, [insert your above steps], then moving back to the home row.

Is scrolling through source code really faster line by line?

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

#62

Post by jasonkostempski »

m-j-fox wrote: post #39
WesleyJohnson wrote: post #35

I've never understood the sentiment that using a mouse is bad. I see blog posts all the time about how a programmer's job is more thinking than writing code and/or writing good programs is also about taking out just as much code as you put in. So if writing programs is a deliberate and methodical process that - I'd argue it's also slow. Why then is there antithesis that mice slow you down and you need keyboard shortc…

Exactly. I used to be one of these hardcore guys typing fast and never taking my hands off the keyboard; then I got RSI and learned to appreciate value slow methodical approaches.

In other words, you got old and slow. Happens to us all :)

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by [deleted] »

blunte wrote: post #43
WesleyJohnson wrote: post #35

I've never understood the sentiment that using a mouse is bad. I see blog posts all the time about how a programmer's job is more thinking than writing code and/or writing good programs is also about taking out just as much code as you put in. So if writing programs is a deliberate and methodical process that - I'd argue it's also slow. Why then is there antithesis that mice slow you down and you need keyboard shortc…

An old-schooler would be the one asking, "why do I need a mouse?" Anyway, it sounds like you're asking, "Why are keyboard shortcuts faster than moving a mouse to a location and then clicking [and potentially having to move to another location, such as the menu that just dropped down, and clicking again]?" Does this really need an answer?

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Re: Show HN: Nomouse

#64

Post by Mithaldu »

WesleyJohnson wrote: post #35

I've never understood the sentiment that using a mouse is bad. I see blog posts all the time about how a programmer's job is more thinking than writing code and/or writing good programs is also about taking out just as much code as you put in. So if writing programs is a deliberate and methodical process that - I'd argue it's also slow. Why then is there antithesis that mice slow you down and you need keyboard shortc…

Personally i see it mostly as self-validation. I'm in an odd position in that i learned computing with an Amiga, meaning a computer that has a mouse, but was also still unadvanced enough to require lots of keyboard interaction. Nowadays i find that which i use depends a lot on the current context. Exploring things and browsing documentation particularly is done almost entirely with mouse and mouse gestures. Editing text is very keyboard-centric and the mouse only gets to act occasionally.

There's a balance there and it goes beyond even the task you're engaged in. I often find myself annoyed at the very same piece of software for providing too few keyboard shortcuts, or providing too few mouse interactions, depending on whether i'm working on something to the side, have one of my hands occupied, or just plain are having pain in one of my joints on that day.

People who proclaim one or the other as the alpha and omega seem to me stuck in a mindset that's strictly binary and refuses to see shades. (Granted, i am speaking with decades of entrainment. I can absolutely see how for a sysadmin in their 40s there may be little sense in trying to get comfortable with a mouse.)

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by jmjanzen »

Can't speak to the implementation, but the idea seems pleasantly cheeky, lighthearted, and perhaps even useful.

As for myself, I find the use of the mouse to be its own punishment.

Re: Show HN: Nomouse

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Post by [deleted] »

Mithaldu wrote: post #64
WesleyJohnson wrote: post #35

I've never understood the sentiment that using a mouse is bad. I see blog posts all the time about how a programmer's job is more thinking than writing code and/or writing good programs is also about taking out just as much code as you put in. So if writing programs is a deliberate and methodical process that - I'd argue it's also slow. Why then is there antithesis that mice slow you down and you need keyboard shortc…

Personally i see it mostly as self-validation. I'm in an odd position in that i learned computing with an Amiga, meaning a computer that has a mouse, but was also still unadvanced enough to require lots of keyboard interaction. Nowadays i find that which i use depends a lot on the current context. Exploring things and browsing documentation particularly is done almost entirely with mouse and mouse gestures. Editing t…

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Re: Show HN: Nomouse

#69

Post by ryandrake »

pix64 wrote: post #61
ryandrake wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot even more inefficiency: Lifting your hand off the keyboard and moving it to the mouse, [insert your above steps], then moving back to the home row.

Is scrolling through source code really faster line by line?

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