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Post by pbhjpbhj »

lukepothier wrote: post #101
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #65

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Do you mind me asking what age you are? >last December I became a morning person using early morning light and exercise // Where do you live that gets light on December mornings?

The entire Southern Hemisphere gets light on December mornings. The summer solstice for the Southern Hemisphere is during December.

Yes, I realise that - just interested in their locality to greater degree of exactitude than which hemisphere. As it happens it looks like they're using artificial light.

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Post by homero »

JasonSage wrote: post #121

> Most people’s natural cycle is somewhat longer than the 24-hour solar day, which means that, left to our own devices, we would get quickly get out of sync with the external world. I've always had very bad issues sleeping and waking "on time." In school this led to me regularly missing class and eventually dropping school entirely, and with regular work schedules I hardly ever got good sleep. A little while ago, I m…

Same here, my schedule rotates and it's the only way I stay sane. For example, today I sleep at 6pm and wakeup at 2am. Jobs and relationships are hard tho, how do you deal with relationships especially?

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Post by cortesoft »

danieltillett wrote: post #124
petecox wrote: post #114

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Spain has this issue. It is in the wrong timezone, which the government changed in the 1940s. Consequently it stays light until 6:30pm in winter. In mountainous regions such as Picos de Europa, towns in the valleys do have kids catching schoolbuses in near darkness at 8:30am. As a traveller I found the experience surreal. Although, we put the clocks forward an hour leading up to the 2000 Olympics so construction work…

The 2000 Olympics where held in Sydney :)

Yeah, the last Olympics in Spain were in 1992 in Barcelona.

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Post by YZF »

JasonSage wrote: post #121

> Most people’s natural cycle is somewhat longer than the 24-hour solar day, which means that, left to our own devices, we would get quickly get out of sync with the external world. I've always had very bad issues sleeping and waking "on time." In school this led to me regularly missing class and eventually dropping school entirely, and with regular work schedules I hardly ever got good sleep. A little while ago, I m…

How much natural sunlight are you getting vs. artificial lighting? Maybe you have some problem with the mechanism that resets us to the solar day or maybe you are disrupting it in some way. Like you suggest it's possible that the light from your monitor is also messing with your body.

My sleep pattern when I'm in nature with no artificial light is very different than at home with lights + screens. In nature I wake up much earlier and my sleep patterns tend to align themselves with the solar day. At home it's a lot less aligned with the solar day and more impacted by having lights and screens on.

For me getting proper sleep is also very important. I don't get it how some people seem to be able to function well with a lot less sleep and alarm clocks ;) I think they are just in some sort of perpetual sleep deprivation mode.

Do you get jetlag?

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Post by lucaspiller »

joecool1029 wrote: post #17
weaksauce wrote: post #14

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I wish we would all go on DST and be done with it forever. The extra hour of usable daylight after work is a net win for societies mental health. We have farming machines that do the heavy lifting and are mostly automated now anyway. Unlike when it was enacted, there simply are much fewer farmers.

Think of the children!!! EDIT: I should clarify that this is nearly always the argument brought up against year round DST, so that children during winter go to school with sunlight in the morning.

Except that also depends on your latitude... Here at 57N it's dark until 9pm on Dec/Jan, currently the sun rises at 7am, and in the summer it's only dark for a couple of hours at night. Even with all-round DST it'll still be dark when children go to school in winter.

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Post by sandworm101 »

posterboy wrote: post #129
sandworm101 wrote: post #111

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Yes. Cougars (mountain lions) are a thing where i live. Also bear, black and brown. It is an extreemly rare event for anyone to be harmed, but i do run into bear regularly in the summer.

why wouldn't you build a fortification like a house to keep the beasts at bay?

On garbage days you are much more likely to confront a bear around, even inside, your house than by randomly coming across one in the woods. I'm thinking about this because last week was "bear awareness day" in my area. Posters are up to remind people that they are coming out of hibernation.

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Post by ClassyJacket »

update wrote: post #12

> Tübingen who was hospitalized for depression and claimed that she normally kept her symptoms in check by taking all-night bike rides. He subsequently demonstrated in a group of depressed patients that a night of complete sleep deprivation produced an immediate, significant improvement in mood in about 60 percent of the group. I thought this bit was neat. I'd heard that sleep deprivation can bring on a feeling of eu…

Totally anecdotal, but I wonder if it's related. Two nights ago, I was out with friends drinking and playing pool. We normally go home at 3AM, but this time we went to another bar after and stayed there until 10AM. At some point, maybe around 8AM, I became incredibly happy. Euphoric is actually the word I used to describe it at the time. I wondered if I'd been slipped ecstacy or something, since I was so happy beyond anything alcohol usually does.

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Post by [deleted] »

weaksauce wrote: post #14
transcranial wrote: post #8

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There are definitely measurable population-level effects, like increased traffic accidents [1] and heart attacks [2]. And given that its purported benefits are completely unsubstantiated, it's amazing that DST still exists. [1] https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/app.20140100 [2] http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc0807104

I wish we would all go on DST and be done with it forever. The extra hour of usable daylight after work is a net win for societies mental health. We have farming machines that do the heavy lifting and are mostly automated now anyway. Unlike when it was enacted, there simply are much fewer farmers.

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Post by SirensOfTitan »

miketery wrote: post #119
stretchwithme wrote: post #37

I don't know about sleep and depression. My Mom was bipolar and the topic never came up, other than her being up to all hours when she was manic. But I recently read an interesting article about vitamin D and that lead me to supplement magnesium and vitamins D, A and K. I only do it once every three days to be conservative. http://www.precisionnutrition.com/stop-vitamin-d And I've found I'm much more decisive and lik…

How did you decide which product to purchase for your supplements? Can you recommend any?

Check labdoor.com first to see if they've tested the product you're looking for.

... if whatever you want hasn't been tested by labdoor yet: find the best form of whatever you're trying to take:

1. Vitamin K2 in the form of MK7 is a great form of Vitamin K.

2. Reputable brands otherwise (I avoid most drug store brands like CVS/Walgreens).

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Post by [deleted] »

miketery wrote: post #119
stretchwithme wrote: post #37

I don't know about sleep and depression. My Mom was bipolar and the topic never came up, other than her being up to all hours when she was manic. But I recently read an interesting article about vitamin D and that lead me to supplement magnesium and vitamins D, A and K. I only do it once every three days to be conservative. http://www.precisionnutrition.com/stop-vitamin-d And I've found I'm much more decisive and lik…

How did you decide which product to purchase for your supplements? Can you recommend any?

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