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A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

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Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

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> Customers will get full LTE speeds until they reach 22GB of usage, after which they’ll be subject to reduced data speeds and de-prioritization. > Hotspot tethering — up to 10GB at LTE speeds — is included, as are calls and texts to Mexico and Canada. That's certainly an alternative take on the definition of "unlimited" than the one I'm accustomed to. Curious: What's the reduced speed? Is it less than 1Mbit/s? If so…

The "reduced speed" is whatever it takes to prioritize customers on the same tower who are not over the limit so they get full speed. If you aren't on a congested tower, your speed isn't impacted. Seems fair to me. Unlike wired internet, wireless carriers can't just throw money at the problem and get more bandwidth. A certain spectrum can only carry a certain amount of data. Even building more towers and having each…

> The "reduced speed" is whatever it takes to prioritize customers on the same tower who are not over the limit so they get full speed. If you aren't on a congested tower, your speed isn't impacted. Seems fair to me.

I'm not saying it isn't fair, I'm saying it's false advertising.

I also know the technical limitations on the radios on the towers (worked in the industry). But suggesting that it's unlimited, both from the ISP side and the Bloomberg side, is disingenous at best, and suggesting it can replace wifi in that implementation, even more so.

That said: You can get unlimited 4G in both Tokyo and Seoul, and those are pretty dense. Again it technically couldn't work if everyone got it and used it as much as they could, but arguing that the US ISPs can't do better is patently false.

Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

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neh how long would it take to upload a 4k youtube video from a phone LTE?

On average, probably less time than on wifi. Most consumer ISP services have abysmal upload speeds. For instance Comcast's 1Gbps plan has an upload limit of 35Mbs. Most of their other plans top out at 10Mbps upload.

With T-Mobile I can get up to 40Mbps upload.

Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

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The new "unlimited" plans slow down if you use more data.

People hate overage charges and that gets rid of them, but everyone is still going to prefer wifi at every opportunity to avoid invoking the slowdown.

The new plans are an improvement but in no way do they lead to the death of wifi.

Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

#34
I'm on a $30 unlimited data T-Mobile family/friends plan.

Since I'm not home a whole lot, I cancelled my ISP two months ago and have been tethering for two months. I can still work for home just fine, and watch Netflix in HD.

The speed is slowed down after 40Gb , and I get about 15-25Mb download speed.

Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

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post #8

> With every major U.S. wireless carrier now offering unlimited data plans, consumers don’t need to log on to a Wi-Fi network to avoid costly overage charges anymore. That’s a critical change that threatens to render Wi-Fi obsolete. Does anyone at Bloomberg understand data caps or throttling?

Yes they understand and used the term correctly. Throttling - your speed is reduced to a top speed of x when you go over a specified allotment until the end of your billing period. Deprioritized - if the specific tower you are on is congested and you've gone over the "cap", your speed is temporarily slowed down to allow others who haven't gone over their allotment to get full speed.

Where in the article is any of that stated?

Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "reduced speed" is whatever it takes to prioritize customers on the same tower who are not over the limit so they get full speed. If you aren't on a congested tower, your speed isn't impacted. Seems fair to me. Unlike wired internet, wireless carriers can't just throw money at the problem and get more bandwidth. A certain spectrum can only carry a certain amount of data. Even building more towers and having each…

> The "reduced speed" is whatever it takes to prioritize customers on the same tower who are not over the limit so they get full speed. If you aren't on a congested tower, your speed isn't impacted. Seems fair to me. I'm not saying it isn't fair, I'm saying it's false advertising. I also know the technical limitations on the radios on the towers (worked in the industry). But suggesting that it's unlimited, both from…

How is it "false advertising"?

1. It is "unlimited" - not "unlimited full speed"

2. They tell you about the deprioritization.

On an anecdotal note, my family was in an extended stay for a few months while we were waiting to get our house built. The hotel wifi was abysmal. We were tethering our phone to our AppleTV - Binge On allowed us unlimited video tethering - we were using 80-100Gb per month successfully without a noticeable slow down. We were not in a congested area.

But part of the problem isn't the carriers fault. It takes years to get approvals from cities to build towers sometimes.

Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

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post #7

Where are these unlimited LTE plans the author speaks of? I haven't seen any except for from a few lucky folks who are grandfathered into truly unlimited data plans. Typing this from my home wifi which tops out at 1.8Gbps connected to a unlimited 100Mbps ISP data connection. 14 wired and wireless devices are currently connected. Try that with any current wireless plan.

Tops out at 1.8Gbps??

802.11ac is capable of 1800Mbps. Which is only possible if you have a single device using all 3-4 antennas, no interference or competing devices on the same spectrum. I regularly get 800Mbps from my 2015 MBP.

It is theoretically possible to go that fast. I've never done it.

Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

#39
"Unlimited" marketing BS aside, the article is mostly a puff piece about deployment of LTE in the unlicensed 5.8ghz band currently used by wifi etc. So when they say "a future without wifi is possible", they mean it literally: you won't be able to use wifi in the 5.8ghz band in many places.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/hurricane-lte-u-dont-l...

Re: A World Without Wi-Fi Looks Possible as Unlimited Plans Rise

#40
Just because these unlimited plans are being offered doesn't mean they'll take off. The economics might work well for single people, but if you're a family of five, how many phones and unlimited plans are you willing to get? $500 can get you a good desktop that'll last for 5-10 years, that same amount gets you a mid-to-high range phone that will maybe last for four years.

Plenty of places still don't get a good signal either - every trip to the in-laws' place reminds me of this.

This world does look possible, but I don't think it's close yet.

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