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Re: South Korean President Impeached

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Post by swyman »

sandworm101 wrote: post #71
lifthrasiir wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She says this president is like Korea's GWB. If she were like GWB we wouldn't have gone this far. She is more like Nixon, but worse.

Nixon is "the worst" because he was the one forced from office. But he wasn't actually removed through legal process. They started the process, but he left on his own before it came to anything. Clinton was actually impeached, but did not leave. I dont think the US has ever removed a president legally. They have quit, which isn't the same thing. Korea is ahead in that regard. Im not sure how/if the american system mi…

Except that time he intentionally sabotaged the 1968 peace talks to end the Vietnam War because he thought it might help him win an election. For reference, the war continued until late 1975. He is directly responsible for each and every casualty and atrocity committed in those 7 years, as well as the thousands upon thousands of irreparably mentally and emotionally damaged veterans that survived.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-t...

Re: South Korean President Impeached

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Post by yongjik »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #55
nether wrote: post #36

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My cousin is a historian of Korea, and well, Korean herself. She says this president is like Korea's GWB. Shamelessly very right wing, a lot of gaffes related to speech and behavior. There are going to be a lot of happy people tonight.

> She says this president is like Korea's GWB. If she were like GWB we wouldn't have gone this far. She is more like Nixon, but worse.

I'm not a US history expert, but I think Nixon had very firm ideas about how to run a country. In the end, people did not approve of these ideas, but at least there was an internally coherent world view.

The problem with Park is not that she had wrong ideas, but that she did not have any idea at all. Instead she let her close friend take care of the boring chore of running a country. During the past four years the country was essentially on auto-pilot, progressively worsening while bureaucrats were awaiting for leadership that never materialized.

I'd say she's more like Nikolai II, complete with Rasputin.

Re: South Korean President Impeached

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Post by [deleted] »

sandworm101 wrote: post #71
lifthrasiir wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She says this president is like Korea's GWB. If she were like GWB we wouldn't have gone this far. She is more like Nixon, but worse.

Nixon is "the worst" because he was the one forced from office. But he wasn't actually removed through legal process. They started the process, but he left on his own before it came to anything. Clinton was actually impeached, but did not leave. I dont think the US has ever removed a president legally. They have quit, which isn't the same thing. Korea is ahead in that regard. Im not sure how/if the american system mi…

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Re: South Korean President Impeached

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Post by lifthrasiir »

yongjik wrote: post #83
lifthrasiir wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She says this president is like Korea's GWB. If she were like GWB we wouldn't have gone this far. She is more like Nixon, but worse.

I'm not a US history expert, but I think Nixon had very firm ideas about how to run a country. In the end, people did not approve of these ideas, but at least there was an internally coherent world view. The problem with Park is not that she had wrong ideas, but that she did not have any idea at all. Instead she let her close friend take care of the boring chore of running a country. During the past four years the co…

I agree. The point is that there is no US president comparable to Park, and probably the closest match is Nixon.

Re: South Korean President Impeached

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Post by sandworm101 »

swyman wrote: post #81
sandworm101 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nixon is "the worst" because he was the one forced from office. But he wasn't actually removed through legal process. They started the process, but he left on his own before it came to anything. Clinton was actually impeached, but did not leave. I dont think the US has ever removed a president legally. They have quit, which isn't the same thing. Korea is ahead in that regard. Im not sure how/if the american system mi…

Except that time he intentionally sabotaged the 1968 peace talks to end the Vietnam War because he thought it might help him win an election. For reference, the war continued until late 1975. He is directly responsible for each and every casualty and atrocity committed in those 7 years, as well as the thousands upon thousands of irreparably mentally and emotionally damaged veterans that survived. https://www.nytimes.…

7 years. Iraq and/or afganistan were/are far longer. Every US president has their war. More often than not those wars have ties to domestic politics. That a president uses a war for political gain is expected. It is for the people to hold that in check... which they did with nixon. If not for vietnam he probably would have stayed in office. He spent all his political capital and, when the inevitable scandle hit, he had to go. Other presidents stayed on after far worse.

Re: South Korean President Impeached

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Post by yongjik »

curuinor wrote: post #16
vermontdevil wrote: post #7

At least her ending is not the same as her father.

Don't say that until she dies, KCIA could still assassinate her

KCIA is currently run by clowns who roll in the same bed as Park's people, so probably not. (One of the first thing the next president needs to do is to purge it of all the criminals who've meddled with domestic politics.)

...Unless someone has the craziest idea of killing her so that she could be a martyr. But I doubt they have someone who is that evil and that competent at the same time.

Re: South Korean President Impeached

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Post by mwfunk »

sideproject wrote: post #24

As a Korean, I feel bittersweet for my mother country. It's embarrassing that this is happening, yet I feel relieved now that people of Korea can move forward - here's hoping for electing a more qualified president next.

I'm not Korean, but overall this whole series of events gave me new respect for the nation. It's unfortunate that everyone had to suffer through her leadership, but it also really says something that democratic rule of law is so well established there that a malfunctioning leader could be peacefully removed.

Re: South Korean President Impeached

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Post by foota »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #86
yongjik wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a US history expert, but I think Nixon had very firm ideas about how to run a country. In the end, people did not approve of these ideas, but at least there was an internally coherent world view. The problem with Park is not that she had wrong ideas, but that she did not have any idea at all. Instead she let her close friend take care of the boring chore of running a country. During the past four years the co…

I agree. The point is that there is no US president comparable to Park, and probably the closest match is Nixon.

New precedents (presidents, heh) can and are always being set in the United States.
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