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Wow. We often wonder how the Bay Area would be unseated as startup capital of the world. Maybe it'll be the US's immigration problem.
It would be delicious and terrible irony if Vancouver took over the role of startup capital, since it is the only place with a more unaffordable housing market than the SF bay.
If you mean housing cost relative to salary, however, that's perhaps a different story.
Who is having trouble getting a Visa exactly? Just curious, trying to separate fact from hysteria
> Who is having trouble getting a Visa exactly? Just curious, trying to separate fact from hysteria Anyone, even US citizens, who does not want ICE/CBP snooping on his/her IT equipment, cellphones or social media accounts. Certainly I (born German/Croatian, living in Germany) might be able to land myself a nice shiny job in the US IT industry but no way I'm ever crossing your border as long as such outrageous privacy…
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If you're complaining about the price of Vancouver real estate, it hardly makes sense in this context where San Francisco is the alternative.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2477598/vancouver-ranked-3rd-least... Vancouver is, apparently, worse than SF.
While Vancouver, has the worst affordable city in Canada, it is very middle of the pack when you look at major cities in the world. And the notion that SF is more affordable than Vancouver is just laughable if you've lived in both places.
The lead the US has had in science/engineering/technology over the past 70+ years is in no small part due to the massive brain drain from Europe, and the rest of the world, due to fascist regimes. If the US's new shiny fascist regime keeps progressing at this pace, you can bet that things will reverse quickly. Good bye, world leading startups, nobel prizes, top universities, etc. These things can happen faster than o…
Would you mind not taking HN threads straight into political flamewar? The mess you set off is totally not in the spirit of this site, and the problems can be traced back to how you posted. Comments on HN need to get more civil and substantive, not less, as the topic gets more divisive. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13830700 and marked it off-topic.
I'm not sure where you see incivility - are any of the posters in the child comments insulting each other?
I'm not sure where you see lack of substance - posts in the child comments are using past historical events, political analysis, and personal experiences to discuss current ones.
Maybe you're upset by the use of the word "fascist", but that's hard to avoid when the current government is discriminating against legal citizens purely based on their religion/skin color, or the president insinuated the assassination of his political opponents.
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It's the illegal immigrants that suck the system dry, not the smart, diligent, legitimate ones working in academia and top companies. That sounds like a grossly inaccurate generalization to me. A lot of "illegal immigrants" are an absolutely essential part of the economy, performing jobs like picking oranges in the Florida heat/humidity, doing roofing work, washing dishes, etc. Interview farmers in the south and ask…
My grandfather owned many apple orchards, and he said without migrant labor, he would have had to go out of business years ago. He could not hire US citizens as workers because nobody that is born here wants to climb trees all day picking fruit for minimum wage. This was back in the 80s. He also had very good things to say about how hard-working and dedicated the migrant workers were. Now, you might argue that withou…
Then he may have to pay over minimum wage!
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> Wait, so you're saying everyone is leaving fascist USA, but China will be the beneficiary of that? In recent years, the US has turned noticeably anti-science, anti-immigrant, anti-elite, and anti-government-support-of-almost-everything, including education, health care, the arts, science, and infrastructure. Whereas China has been energetic about pursuing global leadership in a variety of areas, and they're not shy…
Well, for one thing you'll need to learn to speak Chinese, and that'd be much harder than learning English. Also, it's close to impossible to immigrate to China at the moment.
Chinese is hard to pick up for sure, tones are not easy to intuit as English speakers are used to discarding that information. Mandarin is easier due to the smaller number of tones. It's also easier in many respects than English as there are no verb conjugations.
[1] https://www.oxford-royale.co.uk/articles/learning-english-ha...
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Well, for one thing you'll need to learn to speak Chinese, and that'd be much harder than learning English. Also, it's close to impossible to immigrate to China at the moment.
Learning Chinese is not as big as an obstacle as you might think, especially when it's that or find a way to past US immigration and afford school + living in the USA. When I lived in Taiwan, I knew a tremendous amount of south american students that had come for the graduate programs because the schools were on-par with American universities, the cost of living was extremely low, and Taiwan is very open to immigrati…
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Are you saying that police officers, by virtue of the fact that they primarily interact with criminals, would conclude that people here on, say, student visas are a bunch of criminals?
No, I didn't suggest that at all. Read again. Police officers have a completely different view of immigrants than do people on college campuses.
I'm challenging you on that. I think your statistics would show that certain classes of Americans are comparatively very criminally oriented, and certain classes of Americans are not. Similarly, if you collected statistics about foreigners in the back of a squad car, you'd conclude that foreigners here without a visa of any kind are much more criminally oriented than foreigners here on, for example, a student visa. You seem to want to dismiss the usefulness of those statistics just because they're only dealing with a particular segment of the population.
Good. The entire premise of the internet is that it allows coordination at low latency over distance. It's also probably not fantastic for the United States to be strip mining the entire >130 IQ population of eg Sudan and packing them into SF/NY/DC to work on ad optimization when they're desperately needed by their own people; setting up infrastructure to work remotely is a great first step to eliminating the brain d…
All Sudanese should be happy with their lot in life and either work to improve it or rot. So how dare these Western companies pay the dark skinned people of Sudan as much money as rich white people could earn!!!
(No seriously though, the implications of what you say are disturbing to me.)
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Calexit would allow California to bring in anyone they want though, and SF wouldn't have to worry about the US immigration policy screwing up it's tech scene. I'm looking forward to the Calexit proposition vote.
Obviously this is a joke. In case it isn't: the war that would follow an attempted Calexit might be slightly detrimental to startups in the Bay Area.
Edit: I obviously don't think a Calexit will happen but I'm just curious why you think it would result in a war.