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Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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post #81

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The whole system of review curation that infests online markets is a problem waiting to be solved. Right now we basically have to parse reviews on the 4.4-5.0 scale because anything outside that is meaningless. It's amazing to go read a novel rated 3 stars (because it operates outside this loop) and find it transcendently good.

Is anyone trying to solve this right now? It seems like a really interesting problem that would be really useful to solve. It isn't just online, and it isn't just a technology problem. I recently bought a car and the manufacturer sent me a survey about the process. The salesman made sure, numerous times, to let me know that I'd be getting said survey and that anything less than a 10 meant he failed and that there wou…

It's silly that they have a system that pressures you into lying.

Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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post #31

We haven't had a recession in 8 years, and the postwar average time between recessions is 6 years.[1] The stock market's overall PE ratio is well above average.[2] With Box and Snap, the market demonstrated it is starving for tech IPOs -- even if a company is losing money and entirely based on a millennial fad. So why in the name of sweet baby Jesus would investors, founders, or anyone else delay an IPO at this point…

I would think that being well overdue for a recession and being in an objectively overvalued market would be a good reason to not want to get in now lest you be the one to IPO a week before judgement day. I heard on NPR today that one, if not the only, bull market to last longer than the current one ended with the dot com crash.

Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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I'm not surprised to see Airbnb became profitable. They've expanded everywhere. I nomad around and always use Airbnb, I've booked places on several continents. However, I'm definitely feeling the effects of their growing pains. For example, many people have bought places to only rent on Airbnb full-time. Most of these people suck at being an hotelier. It's clear people get lazy and are just trying to make money. Thin…

Anecdotes are cool, man.

I've also Airbnb'd over several continents. I've had one sub-par experience out of many stays.

I think with Airbnb it's also "you get what you pay for"...

Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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post #103

I'm not surprised to see Airbnb became profitable. They've expanded everywhere. I nomad around and always use Airbnb, I've booked places on several continents. However, I'm definitely feeling the effects of their growing pains. For example, many people have bought places to only rent on Airbnb full-time. Most of these people suck at being an hotelier. It's clear people get lazy and are just trying to make money. Thin…

Anecdotes are cool, man. I've also Airbnb'd over several continents. I've had one sub-par experience out of many stays. I think with Airbnb it's also "you get what you pay for"...

My experience has been that price is a better predictor than reviews, which I think is what kilroy123 (and you) was getting at.

Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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post #35
post #31

We haven't had a recession in 8 years, and the postwar average time between recessions is 6 years.[1] The stock market's overall PE ratio is well above average.[2] With Box and Snap, the market demonstrated it is starving for tech IPOs -- even if a company is losing money and entirely based on a millennial fad. So why in the name of sweet baby Jesus would investors, founders, or anyone else delay an IPO at this point…

Not an answer to your question but semi-relatedly Scott Sumner had a post this week where he predicts that recessions will be significantly rarer in the future. http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=32350 It's interesting to think about.

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Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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post #63

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The whole system of review curation that infests online markets is a problem waiting to be solved. Right now we basically have to parse reviews on the 4.4-5.0 scale because anything outside that is meaningless. It's amazing to go read a novel rated 3 stars (because it operates outside this loop) and find it transcendently good.

Instead of asking customers to give numeric star ratings, perhaps a better option would be a short list of Yes / No / Unsure questions. Were there clean sheets on the bed? Were there any cockroaches? Did the appliances work? Etc. Such questions are more objective and less prone to inflation.

They also require more time, and most people don't bother to leave reviews anyway.

Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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I'm not surprised to see Airbnb became profitable. They've expanded everywhere. I nomad around and always use Airbnb, I've booked places on several continents. However, I'm definitely feeling the effects of their growing pains. For example, many people have bought places to only rent on Airbnb full-time. Most of these people suck at being an hotelier. It's clear people get lazy and are just trying to make money. Thin…

> Unless, they fix this and get more people to review honestly. I think they're going to run into a lot of problems. I don't airBnB, but a friend who does was recently berated by a host after leaving a 4-star review; that host claimed (don't know how true this is) that many hosts will refuse to rent to you again if you leave anything but a 5-star review. That and other things I've seen and heard about airBnB reviews…

Well don't go there again then? - AND lower the score and report the user if those are possible.

Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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post #46

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AirBnB reviews are massively inflated. A 4.5 average means you should carefully read between the lines of what the previous guests wrote. A 4 average means you should probably reconsider staying. Hades itself would probably rank around 3.5.

I think a better tell would be displaying the ratio of people who actually reviewed vs the ones who didn't. When people don't like a place they'll usually not review it at all.

That's a great point that I forgot to mention! I will only book a place with sparce reviews (under 5 or so) if the host is very new (listing is less than a month or two old).

Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

#109
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole system of review curation that infests online markets is a problem waiting to be solved. Right now we basically have to parse reviews on the 4.4-5.0 scale because anything outside that is meaningless. It's amazing to go read a novel rated 3 stars (because it operates outside this loop) and find it transcendently good.

Instead of asking customers to give numeric star ratings, perhaps a better option would be a short list of Yes / No / Unsure questions. Were there clean sheets on the bed? Were there any cockroaches? Did the appliances work? Etc. Such questions are more objective and less prone to inflation.

Booking.com does it, btw. And I strongly prefer it.

Re: Airbnb raises $1B at $31B valuation, became profitable in 2016

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You can be profitable but still be burning cash in a few different ways. Profitable looks only at profit, not at cash flow, so it only means that "booked revenue in a year > booked costs in a year". Keep in mind that capital expenses are not costs, but are cash expenses. Also, some revenue in a given year might not be a cash transaction, because even if you booked it in that year, it might take much longer for you to…

That is a pretty strange way of defining profitable where you are losing money.

Think of it this way. Imagine if airbnb took its 1 billion dollars and bought bars of gold, and put those bars of gold in a vault.

Is airbnb losing money, because it now has 1 billion dollars less in cash, and 1 billion dollars more in gold bars?

No, it is not.

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