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Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

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Re: Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

#191
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Guessing it's your browsing history (courtesy of including js from a Google domain) plus mouse tracking. It doesn't seem much different than the current "click here" one to me. They are just letting the page owner substitute their own button in lieu of the check box.

Is that why I always have to solve a challenge? Because I use Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin?

Yes, recaptcha works based on advertising cookies.

Re: Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

#192

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What's wrong with them building a profile of me as long as I consented to it? Are you opposed to consenting agreements between willing adults and companies?

Well besides the creepy factor of what this data could be used for, the average user doesn't "consent" to it, because they have no idea it happens.

Then in this case the problem seems to be ignorance. Ignorant people will always find themselves in trouble though. Anyway, you still haven't proved that they wouldn't be ok with this even if aware of it. I've talked to many people about this and most were ok with it. I think you're assuming a lot here about what others care about.

It seems like you have a problem with people consenting to things you don't like, just like homophobes have problems with gays because they personally don't like consenting to same sex intercourse and think gays are ignorant of some facts (they're going to hell etc), maybe people don't care or believe in these facts and are just enjoying themselves, ever thought of that? What's the problems if other people enjoy things you don't? Live and let live.

Re: Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

#193
post #189

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That probably refers to check whether the mouse moves like a human or more bot-like. Recaptcha does more than that though. It checks if you are logged into any other Google services, whether your browser user agent matches your actual browser, and I think one or two more things.

It's more urban legend than fact, recaptcha checks your google cookies and little else. They initially marketed it as looking for "human signs" such as mouse movements but they didn't, and AFAIK they still don't.

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Re: Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

#195
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"Powering these advances is machine learning and a combination of threat yadda yadda" Looks like they do little more than just check for a Google cookie [1]. [1]. https://www.blackhat.com/docs/asia-16/materials/asia-16-Siva... edit: still, it's far better than the previous state of captchas. I'm glad they did this. But it's like for anything to be considered "advanced" or "good" in tech lately, it has to have been po…

Well, technically, it is machine learning. Only that the machine learning was likely part of the usual data mining on google accounts and not much specific to the captcha problem... (That said, whenever I used that checkbox widget they had before this announcement, there was a noticeable framerate drop in the browser while the thing was doing its magic. So I suspect, they are at least doing some browser fingerprintin…

Yeah it's basically browser fingerprinting (incl. GPU fingerprinting, hence the slowdown) plus google cookie.

If your browser is standard (AKA no anti-fingerprinting plugins) and your advertising cookies are not blocked (privacy or adblocker plugins) you'll probably pass with no issues.

If either of those is not true, you have to solve a bunch of image captchas.

Mouse/keyboard input analysis was just marketing talk; at least when they first released the nocaptcha it wasn't even captured.

Re: Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

#196

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What's wrong with them building a profile of me as long as I consented to it? Are you opposed to consenting agreements between willing adults and companies?

Because, in 5 , 10, or 200 years. When societies (or rules) change, it will be used to discriminate or worse. "Whoever doesn't study history is doomed to repeat it.'

Well, if we have people willing to kill us based on the type of socks we like or porn we enjoy, we have a bigger problem than the fact that this information is being collected. It's not like people willing to kill for such ridiculous reasons would be stopped by the lack of available data. Crazies don't really care about fact and data in general. I think you're assuming a bit too much about them.

Obligatory xkcd about it https://xkcd.com/792/

Re: Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

#197
post #175

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Why isn't it in my interest to be shown ads that offer me goods and services of my interests?

Because ads are evil. They are bedrock of all worldwide bullshit and scam. They make seller don’t care about reputation, competitors and eventually product quality. They transfer products completion into ads competition. They make all products more expensive because of this “advertising tax”. They turn off customer’s head to make a zombie who buys best advertised product instead of one with the best quality. They are…

Ads are a great way to make your product known. Have you ever ran a business? At some point if you want to participate in the market of voluntary exchange of good, services and ideas, you need to advertize. The only countries where ads are forbidden and nowhere to be found are North Korea and before that USSR. Very depressing places. I love seeing people expressing themselves and showing up what they've built and trying to sell it. What's wrong with that? Advertizing oneself is one of the most human treat we have and has always existed one way or the other.

Re: Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

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But you use their service for free, right?

Neither the host or google ask for money in exchange for their services. The profitability of their chosen business model is not my concern. If they want something in return, perhaps they should consider setting up a paywall.

A paywall is going to stop far more people from using a product than a captcha.

Re: Introducing the Invisible reCAPTCHA

#200
post #149

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Not sure if that's good for us. We're doing work for google for free. Google Translate will replace translators, Google car will replace drivers, Google VR + map will replace city guides. We're giving them knowledge and powers to replace us, for free. Professions will disappear, people will lose jobs, Google will get richer and richer, will not pay me or you for fixing their suggestions in Google Translate or fixing…

I consider it more a donation towards posterity than getting stiffed on some short term compensation. It's just an opinion, but if the things Google has created and shared into the whole of human knowledge towards the betterment of future societies are still being used in a century for my grandkids (and the rest of humankind) to benefit from, then I think it's better than not having it because a few million people wh…

the things Google has created and shared into the whole of human knowledge

Do they really share it, though? You can't download and reuse data from Google Maps or Street View the way you can from OpenStreetMap, say.

I'm not saying this is a fatal problem. Google Maps is a lot more popular than OSM so the free-with-ads closed source approach clearly has a lot going for it. But the data isn't public, they own it.

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